The New Fable Games Combat

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[u/ZazaMastroII]

I don't know... The enemy doesn't seem to care about any hit he takes until the special cinematic move is used. (The rest of the game looks impressive)

[u/theMisterPhD → u/ZazaMastroII]

Seeing him tank that huge explosion was extremely disappointing.

[u/theCOMBOguy → u/theMisterPhD]

Even whoever was playing the game was surprised that the explosion didn't even daze the guy seeing how they immediately got hit.

[u/Frosty-Improvement-8 → u/theCOMBOguy]

The clip shown was apparently on the hardest difficulty in the game, which as we all know, difficult = pure damage sponge.

[u/Few-Technician2109 → u/Frosty-Improvement-8]

Damage sponge doesn't mean being unresponsive to damages ^{^}

[u/Nannautu → u/Few-Technician2109]

Depends how they implemented damage. High defense could mean the enemy is not staggered by low damage. However since it's made from a studio that has never made this sort of game before, I don't have high expectations

[u/GH057_807 → u/Nannautu]

You don't have to actually deal damage for attacks to have weight. It's more about how the game feels and reacts to things. These ghostly, wholly ignored slashes that pass through him unnoticed just don't feel right.

[u/einsteinosaurus_lex → u/Nannautu]

Could have a scalable poise system where on easier difficulties it's quicker to stagger opponents than on the harder ones. But some kind of reaction should still be expected on each hit.

[u/VoidOmatic → u/Few-Technician2109]

It does now-a-days. Check out StellarBlade, you gotta down two meters with different mechanics before the regular monsters display hit stun.

[u/feedthedogwalkamile → u/VoidOmatic]

In Stellar blade you're facing 30ft monsters. This is a tall human.

[u/kinkysubt → u/Few-Technician2109]

When done well, you are absolutely correct. We don’t really do things the way they should be done anymore. God, when did I become a boomer?

[u/Waiting4Reccession → u/Frosty-Improvement-8]

no way, i thought this was easy mode watching it haha.

Also weird his balls fall out of his head every time he gets hit in the head.

[u/Dustorn → u/Frosty-Improvement-8]

Every once in a while there is a difficulty option that does more than just apply a multiplier to health and damage.

I wasn't really expecting Fable to be one of 'em, though. I would like to see some of the normal difficulty gameplay, see if the reactions are any different there.

[u/Electrical_Echo_29 → u/Frosty-Improvement-8]

Games with this logic are shit. If a game is hard, give characters armor for a simplistic way to absorb hits. It was like shot gunning raiders in the face in fallout, and they dont even flinch.

[u/Consistent-Stock6872 → u/theMisterPhD]

https://giphy.com/gifs/3oAt21Fnr4i54uK8vK

[u/DonutHoles4Ever → u/Consistent-Stock6872]

Anyone who watched Fable's combat gameplay from the last trailer that also showed off the romance system would have noticed two major issues:

1. Romance system looks like a spreadsheet or using wealth to buy her feelings
2. Combat looked extremely basic

And this preview here reinforces how combat looked extremely basic.

Such a fucking good trailer but the game is looking more and more generic. Just like previous Fable games. HOWEVER, there is a DIFFERENT combat video against skeletons and shit that has way more weapon impact. That one looks very different from this one.

[u/TheMadTemplar → u/DonutHoles4Ever]

That's romance in Fable. It's not a deep system. You win favor or disfavor with npcs through your actions or through gifts.

[u/Rare-Set1461 → u/Consistent-Stock6872]

Is that…Evil Hercules?

[u/FastingForward1618 → u/Rare-Set1461]

Yes the script said His character says "This isn't home" disappointed. But he read the part that says disappointed as yelling disappointed and a beautiful meme was born.

[u/Push-This-Button-O → u/theMisterPhD]

Peasant farmers were incredibly hardy back in the day.

[u/MikaHyakuya → u/theMisterPhD]

More so annoyed that the arrow to the head doesn't stagger him whatsoever.
Come on, even Dark Souls 1 has that.

[u/theMisterPhD → u/MikaHyakuya]

Don’t you know farmers famously don’t care about getting cut by a sword, cause they work hard have big muscles?

[u/Skalywag_76 → u/ZazaMastroII]

I can excuse it as a minor poor choice so long as it's limited to a brute-like enemy such as this guy. Maybe their mindset was that they'd be able to shrug off hits more easily. But ultimately it depends on what the combat looks like in other scenarios.

[u/Wykiki92 → u/Skalywag_76]

There's a couple other videos of fighting other enemies, all who react to being hit. It kind of always has been like this in fable games where big enemies shrug off smacks. Now it doesn't look great with the updated fluidity of movement shown off by the rest of the game but it's not out of character.

OP also picked the worst clip I've seen of combat so far and everyone's acting like this was all that was shown.

[u/OriginalShirley → u/Wykiki92]

Yeah it really doesn’t even look bad. If you notice, the enemy does stumble and block slightly when they are hit outside of a them performing an attack. It seems like you just can’t interrupt the attack and the enemy is attacking constantly. Them stumbling with a normal attack is what allowed them to trigger the animation attack, kinda like the enemy has a poise meter or something.

Very Souls-esque, which I guess comes across as weird with the art-style, but not bad.

[u/Fifteen_inches → u/OriginalShirley]

Souls-esque mechanics need to be on point to not be frustrating and unfair. If it’s too forgiving it’s an uninteresting parry/reposte combat, and if it’s too harsh the player can’t learn.

This does not look on point.

[u/RoyaleCheezy → u/Fifteen_inches]

When I hear souls-esque and see the entire reason poise exists in one clip I tend to get nervous.

[u/Gizogin → u/Fifteen_inches]

Even in Dark Souls, when hitting an enemy with poise or super armor, there’s hit-stop to give you a sense that your attacks are connecting. Monster Hunter does the same thing; the enemy might not be staggered by your attacks (because they’re a giant kaiju), but there’s still plenty of tactile feedback when you land a hit.

I’m not seeing that here.

[u/SerenadeSwift → u/Wykiki92]

Your last sentence is spot on. It feels like this post has a clear intention of being misleading, with the purpose of bringing out criticism and negativity.

As an enjoyed of Fable since the original came out on Xbox, I’m excited for this!

[u/WillowPtar_Migan → u/Wykiki92]

OP also picked the worst clip I've seen of combat so far and everyone's acting like this was all that was shown.

Probably because it's all a lot of people have seen of the game

[u/Minguantt → u/Skalywag_76]

There's a very easy way to clear up that doubt: just watch the rest of the clip that the OP cut out during editing.

[u/WoodsLovelyDarkNDeep → u/Skalywag_76]

There would still be physics of you hitting the person you know like your weapon completely stopping when you hit them as they tank the hit

[u/dsem22 → u/ZazaMastroII]

I mean I never think of amazing combat when I think of fable

[u/plastic_sludge → u/dsem22]

Eh. They've also ditched the stylized look though.

It's like, here is some bog stardard sword game combat + default UE lighting with realistic metahuman npcs. Just a little dissapointing.

[u/FillySteveSteak → u/plastic_sludge]

They've removed the exaggerated proportions that everything used to have (from structures to people). Characters no longer look like semi-caricatures.

A peculiar choice to remove such a standout, identifiable characteristic.

[u/plastic_sludge → u/FillySteveSteak]

Yeah, to me it reads like a cost saving measure. I suspect that realistic characters are cheaper to produce since you dont have to create unique models for this specific game. Same with the generic UE look, its easy because everyone knows how to do this. Everyone has the assets for it.

[u/FillySteveSteak → u/plastic_sludge]

Ya, I just went back to make sure I wasn't crazy. In the OG, all the characters have overly large hands and feet. And big faces too.

It's not a dealbreaker for me personally. The charming/humorous characters and writing are starting to win me over

[u/Alklazaris → u/ZazaMastroII]

Looks like a boss though, those don't always react because of their "bossness" I guess. I would need to see more combat.

[u/random-meme422 → u/ZazaMastroII]

Vast majority of boss fights don’t tend to have too many reactions to player attacks.

[u/Plebius-Maximus → u/random-meme422]

For real, people jerk off over Elden ring or the Witcher, I could post a clip from either showing bosses just shrug off plenty of regular attacks with zero change or reaction aside from the health bar.

[u/Plantarbre → u/Plebius-Maximus]

Tbh most Elden Ring bosses have some visual reaction to damage. Fromsoft is probably one of the least offending companies for this.

I don't think people expect much, it's just kinda weird to fight enemy_npc_with_civilian_clothes#14 staying completely immobile to an arrow to the head as he exclaims ahhh.mp3 on hit

[u/BlessedGains → u/Plebius-Maximus]

Because those cases are usually hulking monsters or fullplate knights

If this guy had some armour on then it wouldn’t be as egregious

[u/DeBean → u/ZazaMastroII]

Funny how the fight right before this boss feels pretty good though: https://youtu.be/bjsoifvDe14?t=887

It's really the boss fight itself that loses all the reactivity

[u/HURTZ2PP → u/ZazaMastroII]

Agreed, absolutely no weight to the hits. Like
Someone said, it’s likely some “brute” type anyway, but it’s just bad game design and a bit lazy. Why do “tough” enemies have to be damage sponges.

Edit: Doesn’t even look like the dude is wearing armor, just a damn tunic and leggings. Just brushing off sword slashes to the gut like it’s nothing. I seriously am excited for this game but I hope they can improve this bit behavior snd animation before launch.

[u/Perfect_Exercise_232 → u/ZazaMastroII]

The normal enemies react to every hit. Op wants to make it look worse then it is

[u/kron123456789]

That juggernaut didn't have to have that much HP. It's like the hero is hitting him with a plastic straw instead of a sword.

[u/XB_Demon1337 → u/kron123456789]

Well the original video said they are playing on one of the hardest difficulties, so that likely has something to do with it. But also, wager they used the fight as a means to show off various things in long combat to make sure they hit all the mechanics. Like having to heal when getting hit and how it works.

[u/SunsetCarcass → u/XB_Demon1337]

That's a good indication that the difficulty settings are just HP bar extenders, which is the lamest way to do difficulty

[u/MelonJelly → u/SunsetCarcass]

I've heard it called "fake difficulty".

Real difficulty could be things like the enemies are more aggressive, are more likely to use counter play, or telegraph less.

[u/The_Enigmatica → u/MelonJelly]

in the old halo games, the higher difficulties would have grunts throwing your grenades back at you, or if you stuck an enemy they would kamakazi charge you. the first game notoriously holds back the shotgun from the first flood mission on the highest difficulty.

it boggles my mind that game devs didnt make that the golden standard and build from it. even freaking terraria has upgraded AI and new attacks in expert mode...

[u/Key_Day_6060 → u/The_Enigmatica]

It is the gold standard but doing things well is haaaaaaaaaard. Can we go home now?

[u/--0___0--- → u/The_Enigmatica]

That kind of difficulty takes actual effort, something most modern studios don't have the budget/will to do

[u/SunsetCarcass → u/MelonJelly]

Yeah and if this is highest difficulty we can see icons for dodging attacks. Not a good sign

[u/LagVictim → u/MelonJelly]

should take notes from the upcoming Phantom Blade zero, supposedly on the hardest difficulty enemies learn your attack pattern and behaviors to make it harder

not saying all games should do that, but difficulty should be stuff like that

[u/DiscountThug → u/SunsetCarcass]

The best difficulty in 3rd person action game has Ghost of Tshushima and its Lethal setting.

Basically you and enemies take much higher damage, to the point you can one shot plenty of foes. We also get smacked a lot and in duels, bosses can 1-2 shot you most of the time.

Lethal difficulty let you immerse yourself even more (one shot kills are plenty in samurai movies which this game is based upon) and it cuts on HP sponge enemies.

[u/blueblip → u/DiscountThug]

Along with this, the NG+ Purity perk in Jedi Survivor that turns everything into a one/two shot kill for both you and your enemies is hella stressful but fun. So your lightsaber now actually FEELS like a lightsaber.

Boss fights become an absolute joke obviously, but since most boss fights have a meditation point before them, you can swap out the perk if you care enough to bother.

But for the remaining 99% of the game, even the most basic Stormtrooper becomes a threat. And groups of Stormtroopers become deadly.

[u/peacedetski → u/XB_Demon1337]

"Harder difficulty = more enemy/boss health" is one of the worst game design patterns that should never be used.

[u/InsanityRequiem → u/peacedetski]

Welcome to 99% of all games when bringing in different difficulties.

[u/AffectEconomy6034 → u/kron123456789]

It would be nice if even low level juggernaut like this had some visual armor (even if it's like a low level leather armor) just to help suspend my disbelief that he could tank those hits.

[u/MayoBowl]

I'm so over bullet sponges for human enemies on any difficulty in RPGs

[u/alii-b → u/MayoBowl]

Harder difficulties should be things like improved ai tactics. They block more, attack harder and your attack window is smaller, rather than just slashing. Not this death by 1000 heavy attacks.

[u/Nannautu → u/alii-b]

My gripe with most games, especially a very popular series. Damage-sponges are just annoying and feel like a waste of time.

[u/sarcastic_bastard → u/Nannautu]

Thats the reason I forced myself to finish God of War and never bothered with Ragnarok. It really takes me out of the immersion, utterly disappointing.

[u/Yearn4Mecha → u/Nannautu]

Totally agree. This is what finally killed my love for final fantasy games. FF13 was an epic fantasy and then it feels like they thought it did not take enough time and added two extra 0s to every enemies hp total. More hp should be a guide that I am really under leveled or under equipped, not as a method to make the game longer or "harder". There has been almost zero bosses or enemies that large health bars both make sense and add to the game play.

[u/Present_Year6078 → u/Nannautu]

This is why I hate black flag resync. It's obviously no where near as bad as this, but I hate the rpg combat elements. Enemy sponges are just lame.

[u/Razzilith → u/Nannautu]

Damage-sponges are just annoying and feel like a waste of time.

they feel that way because that's what they are 100%

[u/yourgrundle → u/alii-b]

See, that would require them to actually care about making a well developed game and not just money from a classic IP

[u/stormtroopr1977 → u/alii-b]

If be happy if it meant more enemies instead of a single enemy with a huge health pool

[u/isaac99999999 → u/alii-b]

See but that requires effort and we know AAA companies are incapable of that.

[u/SalamanderMinimum621 → u/alii-b]

In 'Horizon: Zero Dawn' and the sequel, enemies used pack tactics at higher difficulties...

[u/Provoloneapse → u/alii-b]

Ghost of Tsushima’s Lethal difficulty was perfect for this. You die in a one or two hits, but so does everyone else. Everyone is faster. Guard breaks, stances and use of your full kit are necessary. Button mashing and wailing gets you killed.

The exception is boss duels, but like any good boss fight they’re supposed to test your understanding of the combat system you’re working with.

[u/DiscountThug → u/MayoBowl]

Ghost of Tshushima and its Lethal difficulty would be really handy in more game. I love the idea of us and enemies (humanoids) taking much more damage from attacks.

I'm also tired of unarmoured enemies tanking sword hits like its their wife beating them with day old newspaper...

[u/Twiggy1108 → u/DiscountThug]

That or do it’s like KH2 did and add a critical mode than increases enemy damage done and taken and player team age done and taken(not as drastic as lethal mode). Faster and more skill ups to build your character faster.

[u/s8rlink → u/MayoBowl]

It feels so lazy and dated game design. This looks like crap, like if your game is going to have a lot of sword fighting combat there’s been so many amazing references since the last fable

[u/eitavixekkk → u/MayoBowl]

Oblivion feelings

[u/munra1369]

[u/muakaya9876 → u/munra1369]

https://giphy.com/gifs/aNtt9T8SqGNK8

[u/Phearwyn → u/muakaya9876]

https://giphy.com/gifs/pK6k4BNalmx44CQj3v

[u/somamrutha → u/munra1369]

Precisely

[u/Freakjob_003 → u/somamrutha]

This is generic as fuck. Where are all the cool spells, or the weighty swings the first game had? This is just dodge-bonk-dodge-bonk.

I was hyped for the game, but if this is how they use their showtime to highlight the combat, my interest has dropped several notches.

Let's not forget that the original had a puzzle where you're supposed to spell out HITS, but spawned a bunch of werewolves if you did SHIT instead.

They'd better nail the humor, or this is going to be a massive disappointment.

[u/saqwarrior → u/Freakjob_003]

Spoiler: you're going to be disappointed.

[u/Bitter-Marsupial → u/Freakjob_003]

They already dropped the morality system. I don't even feel like it's fable anymore 

[u/T0BIASNESS → u/Bitter-Marsupial]

Oh shit didn’t know that. Yeah wtf

[u/Barn-owl-B → u/Bitter-Marsupial]

They replaced it with a system where each individual npc views you in their own way, which is cool and fine, but there was no need to also remove the good/evil personal morality system because of that.

[u/Jtfb74]

How old is this gameplay.

[u/akbarock → u/Jtfb74]

It was just shown today

[u/SnooPickles4465 → u/akbarock]

It looks like a mobile ad

[u/DaftFunky → u/SnooPickles4465]

All that was missing was the boss flashing red indicating an attack you can’t parry.

[u/Zhurg → u/DaftFunky]

It looks like it does that?

[u/DaftFunky → u/Zhurg]

Totally missed that lol

[u/ninoski404 → u/DaftFunky]

It literally shows a red marker above him to indicate an attack you can't parry

[u/Trifle_Useful → u/SnooPickles4465]

Which really sucks seeing that the rest of that showcase looks pretty enticing imo

[u/Parking-Worth1732 → u/akbarock]

https://giphy.com/gifs/pMePjXUqNNND2

[u/Plebius-Maximus → u/akbarock]

Why didn't you post any of the combat vs normal enemies, which looks significantly more fluid, and they do react to regular damage?

This guy appears to be a low quality early game boss designed to introduce the player to heavy/boss types.

[u/Byob1r → u/Jtfb74]

Even The Witcher 3 had more hit feedback and looked less "spam the attack button, dodge and random spell on CD" eleven years ago, and TW3 combat was already kinda outdated when it came out.

[u/shadowtempest91 → u/Jtfb74]

Yeah I felt the same. This would have been normal gameplay in PS2 era. Thinking about God of War.

[u/Nickulator95]

My genuine reaction to this gameplay

[u/Jackalope1993 → u/Nickulator95]

Wow this is perfect haha. Alot of fitting GIFs in this but yours hits the nail perfectly on the head

[u/TheDrifT3r_Cz]

This is like 5 years before release, right? right???

[u/Frowind → u/TheDrifT3r_Cz]

[u/muakaya9876 → u/Frowind]

https://giphy.com/gifs/l1KsBd9P6WYScbIaY

[u/Hwordin → u/TheDrifT3r_Cz]

https://youtu.be/vjQNvjTF56o?si=XvKrpUQLcZdRWx7r&t=498
this one looke better to me

It's like this specific enemy doesn't have impact animations (yet, I hope)

[u/Neffelo → u/Hwordin]

That's significantly better.... Should have been the primary showcase.

[u/XB_Demon1337 → u/Neffelo]

This excerpt came from the same video.... The whole video was literally the showcase.

[u/douche_flute → u/Neffelo]

I believe it was in the primary showcase. OP picked the worst of the combat footage.

[u/huxtiblejones → u/douche_flute]

To be fair though, footage of this quality shouldn’t have made the cut whatsoever. It is objectively mediocre looking.

[u/Jaberwocky23 → u/douche_flute]

OP purposefully chose the huge enemy with no stagger to show "how bad the game looks"

[u/SerAmikVase → u/TheDrifT3r_Cz]

[u/akbarock → u/TheDrifT3r_Cz]

The games coming out in February and the only reason it isnt coming out this year is GTA 6

[u/CuffRox]

lacks impact

[u/ExplodingFistz → u/CuffRox]

Looks horrible.

[u/CQC_EXE → u/CuffRox]

Didn't see much genshin either

[u/Dot_1X → u/[deleted]]

Yeah, I never really had high expectations for this game, especially since Lionhead shutdown. It's a reanimated corpse of a game. 

[u/JaesopPop → u/Dot_1X]

Lionhead was consistently fumbling Fable for years before they shut down.

[u/The_Arachnoshaman → u/JaesopPop]

Peter Molyneux is just absolutely insane. The man has some good ideas, but he acts like he's some sort of grand visionary, and makes his own great ideas look like trash compared to what he's trying to hype up.

[u/the_scundler → u/Dot_1X]

I miss the black and white series

[u/Mithril_Roshi → u/the_scundler]

... same.
Why has no one tried to make a game like them again? Weird

[u/5inthepink5inthepink → u/Mithril_Roshi]

There are some indie games that are attempting to capture a similar feel and mechanics - notably Fata Deum and Genesis of a Small God - but not a single one of them has arguably the most important element - the creatures. I can't understand why no one has built a game with creatures that learn from what you do by direct observation and reinforcement, and then apply those behaviors and abilities autonomously in game. To my knowledge the Black & White games are still the only franchise to do it with anything like their depth.

If someone can prove me wrong, please do! I'd love to play a game with such an engaging AI creature again.

[u/wrathmont → u/Dot_1X]

Thank you. That’s most Xbox franchises now. Most of their franchises are led and developed by companies filled with people who had nothing to do with the original games.

[u/Almainyny → u/[deleted]]

Nothing has any impact. The dude takes everything like it didn’t even hit him. If it was a giant troll or something, that’d be fair. But it’s just a normal dude. Even if the person he’s fighting is a kid, obviously a kid hitting your midsection with a sword is going to cause some sort of reaction.

[u/SkyBlind → u/Almainyny]

This is my biggest complaint. No feedback at all on hits.

[u/Plebius-Maximus → u/Almainyny]

He's legit twice the size of her. He's obviously a heavy/boss type enemy.

Most games have bosses/heavies that only flinch when you crit them

[u/protostar71 → u/[deleted]]

Dude just delete the comment instead of whatever this shit is.

[u/MyzMyz1995 → u/[deleted]]

Look like a souls like (but laggy). It’s not like fable ever had outstanding combat either.

[u/Whomperss → u/[deleted]]

It looks like a modern more fleshed out version of fables typical combat.

[u/resfan]

This looks like shit, the enemy doesn't even react to being hit, his animations do not care at all about being struck by the player except for that knee to the face that popped three orbs out of his face?

Slow motion zoom in for the knee with a "saunter" of a settle back into default animations like that knee was remotely impressive to watch just for it to go back to "doesn't react to being hit"

-edit

GabeN

[u/aleques-itj → u/resfan]

The normal enemies react to the hits

This is seemingly a boss and deliberately... doesn't. Yes it looks weird in practice.

[u/Status_Jellyfish_213 → u/aleques-itj]

Ah I see. Is this just a selected clip without context then?

[u/Almainyny → u/Status_Jellyfish_213]

Even with context, if this guy is supposed to be a boss who doesn’t react, he’s not impressive enough for him to not react. Give him some proper armor, make him look intimidating. Then he can get away with no-selling your attacks.

As it is it just makes the game look lame.

[u/TheAmazingBagman3 → u/Almainyny]

Definitely. Slashes disappearing into cloth ain’t it.

[u/resfan → u/Almainyny]

actually, yeah, something as simple as just putting him in armor would instantly make it "oh fuck, this dudes a unit" believable rather than slashing some dude in a t-shirt with a sword while he just "nuh uh"'s you

[u/Rigman- → u/aleques-itj]

But even if that's the case, the developers should have done a better job to aid the player in suspending their disbelief. Even something as simple as some magical glint on impact to imply that he's countering her magic would go a long way.

[u/Status_Jellyfish_213 → u/resfan]

The main thing that stuck out to me was no hit reaction. It looks so floaty without it. I have no idea how that got past anyone.

Edit: as stated below it seems like normal enemies do.

[u/CT-96 → u/resfan]

It looks like there's almost no hit stop, which is really needed in games these days.

[u/moonbiitsu]

The rest of the demo was more compelling, fighting multiple enemies and using spells/bows/accessories. This mini boss isn't very indicative of the overall experience but it does highlight some pain points.

[u/Perfect_Exercise_232 → u/moonbiitsu]

OP knows that they wanna make it look as shit as possible because thats all people online eat up the most

[u/Minguantt → u/moonbiitsu]

OP is cherry-picking to get engagement.

[u/Ydobon8261 → u/Minguantt]

And he succeeded in doing so

[u/Frowind → u/moonbiitsu]

That's a boss? I thought he's just some random axe dude

[u/Aggravating-Dot132 → u/Frowind]

Early game stuff, essentially 

[u/moonbiitsu → u/Frowind]

whatever you wanna call it, "dude that has more hp and does more damage" or "jimmy" or "mini boss"

[u/montybo2 → u/moonbiitsu]

Yeah I watched more gameplay than just this fight. The combat looks fun and responsive. This looks like a tutorial boss.

But of course this clip is gonna be used to justify hate for the game by people who will never play it.

[u/Derslok]

It is so comically bad wtf like they forgot to add effects or anything at all to the hits

[u/NosleeptillB → u/Derslok]

I would like to point out that literally EVERYthing else looked good except this ONE single enemy 

It was actually like a 4 on 1 fight or something like that.  Everyone else was normal movements 

Just this one dude was doing the whole "don't even feel it".

[u/Sad_Celebration_2275]

Some of the worst damage feedback I've seen in a modern game. It's weightless, slippery and the interaction sucks

[u/BluntTruthGentleman → u/Sad_Celebration_2275]

Hot garbage

[u/Dewskerz_]

Why do games do this? sharpened steel on flesh causes a reaction!

[u/Elzapatoverde → u/Dewskerz_]

Even dull steel on flesh causes a reaction, you know? that thing is heavy.

[u/leatherjacket3 → u/Dewskerz_]

Me when my mom beats me for eating all her painkillers

[u/ChemistryActive6957]

I hate when human sized enemies just completely disregard any and all hits except for the one that reduces their HP to zero. Giant monsters or someone with a reason to be shrugging off damage like super heavy armor, berserk state or it just being limited to a few uninterruptible moves is fine, but some random dude in peasant clothes with a weird axe should definitely not be face tanking explosions or treating sword strikes like they came from a foam pool noodle.

[u/Weary-Barracuda-1228]

Say what you will about Bethesda enemies or Fromsoftware enemies.

At least they react to hits. I can stagger anything from bandits to Dragons in Skyrim, I can cripple people’s limbs in Fallout, I can break enemies stances in Fromsoft games.

The fuck is this? Dude doesn’t react. This looks boring as shit. Literally “dodge poke dodge poke dodge poke” until the game decides it’s ready for a critical hit. I hope it gets improved

[u/RegretfulCalamaty]

NGL, looks like every other generic combat in games for the last forever years.

[u/CrackerJackerRob]

https://giphy.com/gifs/ep78UZy5FVbfN6mhCU

[u/Evebnumberone]

It's truly baffling how big Devs can make dogshit like this when FromSoft has been giving them the blueprint for nearly 20 years.

Weight, impact, sound, game feel. This game looks like something AI whipped up with a prompt asking for shitty weightless 3rd person combat.

[u/evolutiiiionz → u/Evebnumberone]

Sekiro and Wukong ruined combat for me, them games were beautifully designed for combat this looks absolute ass 

[u/Evebnumberone → u/evolutiiiionz]

It's a bit like ID's philosophy about FPS games. The shooting has to be fun, above absolutely everything else.

These Devs can't seem to figure out that players aren't going to put 150 hours into an open world game no matter how beautiful and content rich it is if the gameplay is lame.

[u/GRAVE-SKIN → u/Evebnumberone]

Me with Witcher 3, would love to get lost in the world but combat is so ass

[u/AlarmingTurnover → u/Evebnumberone]

It's ego. Eidos Montreal made like half the game and these fuckwits at Playground got so assmad that Eidos was doing a better job that they intentionally screwed over development, threw out most of the game, including their own work, just to spite their codev partner. 

[u/Braunb8888 → u/AlarmingTurnover]

Assmad. That’s a new one.

[u/feltcutewilldelete69 → u/Braunb8888]

Natural evolution of butthurt

[u/FlippedSnow]

As lacklustre, disappointing and bad as the brute boss-fight was, why did you cut out the footage against the normal opponents that preceeded this fight?

Talk about cherry-picking.

The full fight clearly showed the enemies instantly reacting to being hit, such as falling over head-first when shot in the foot (and finished off with an execution), dying from a headshot, or otherwise hobbled by magic or hits. Not to mention the micro animations for repositioning the body when dodging looked very good.

[u/Cool-Traffic-8357 → u/FlippedSnow]

I mean bosses are pretty important too no?

[u/MagicJourneyCYOA → u/FlippedSnow]

So... what? Because the enemies that the player fought before reacted okay, we should ignore that horrendous boss fight we have in front of our eyes? The topic is not the other small mobs that came before, it's that boss right here and its horrible animations and non reactions.

[u/Sillyforfun → u/MagicJourneyCYOA]

No the topic was "new fable games combat" and this video is trying to only show the bad of a single mini boss over the good of all the previous combat.

Obviously we should hope they can fix this, but this video is trying to paint this as all that the combat is.

[u/yuckscott → u/FlippedSnow]

its ragebait

[u/Tall_Opportunity_521]

Well, that looks fucking dog shit. How the fuck are you gonna spend so much time and money on a game, and then do THIS with the combat?

[u/MrZmith77 → u/Tall_Opportunity_521]

I agree. The peak of this game’s revealed gameplay was kicking the chickens. Now that’s a game of the year. /s

[u/NetherGamingAccount]

So you hit a dude with a sword multiple times and he doesn't even react?
Hm, not sure about that one.

[u/NazRubio]

Gaming discourse is just cherry-picking gameplay snippets to shit on them without context. So many clips of combat for this game with enemies reacting to hits but this is the one that goes viral.

[u/Western_1993]

This fighting looks seriously boring. The last decade of gaming has just been about ruining games.

[u/-Nomadd3r-]

I want fable to be good but this looks awful. Kinda sad how lame this looks, man.

[u/AlaskanMedicineMan]

I'll be the dissenting opinion and point it out. This is a boss enemy with a poise bar. I don't like the non-reactivity any more than any of you, but its hardly surprising. Even Dark Souls and the Witcher 3 have boss enemies that are mechanically identical to this guy. He isnt flinching from every hit because he is a boss enemy. I am not surprised by this in the slightest.

Yes, it could be done better.

[u/jason_rogue → u/AlaskanMedicineMan]

You’re 100% right, I think people would be reacting less if we saw any enemy feedback whatsoever, especially after a giant explosion

[u/AlaskanMedicineMan → u/jason_rogue]

For sure, and I hope they introduce some visual model flinching a la elden ring even if it mechanically doesnt do anything, it would certainly feel better than this.

[u/KoneCat]

The combat looks... off, I don't know exactly why, it just looks weird. I know these games are not known for their incredible combat, but man, this looks a bit weird to say the least.

[u/Arketyped]

Guy with no armor eating all that damage with no recognition is bothersome.

[u/grilledfuzz]

This combat looks extremely mid. Attacks have no weight, no satisfying audio feedback for hits, they have a lot of work to do if this is what they’re planning on putting out.

[u/Revolutionary-Top-70]

Enemies NEED to respond to being hit. Especially if they're unarmored. Having a brute that never stuns/doesn't react to hits isn't satisfying combat imo.

The animations look clean, though

[u/Savber]

This legit reminds me of a quote from Gabe Newell:

The point I would make is, if I go up to a wall and shoot it [and nothing happens], to me it feels like the wall is ignoring me. I'm getting a narcissistic injury when the world is ignoring me. So it is like, to me, I was trying to convey to the user a sense of, “Yes, you were making choices; yes, you were progressing.” Which meant the game had to acknowledge that back to you. If you shoot at a wall, there have to be decals. If you kill a bunch of Marines; the Marines have to run away from you, right? You have to have this sense of the game acknowledging and responding to the choices and actions and progressions that you've made. Otherwise it loses any sort of impact.

That's the issue I am seeing here. Can the game still be good? Sure but it's weird that these enemies have zero reaction to your hits.

[u/VeryNoisyLizard]

excluding what everyone already said, does anyone else think that the UI and sound design are too ... generic?

[u/coochie-slayer420]

This looks supremely unsatisfying

[u/Mithril_Roshi]

... I miss fable 1- 3

Maybe i was too harsh on 3 when i was a kid...

At least it did not lose all its STYLE and have such little impact they may as well be fighting with feather dusters

And yes before anyone tries to ask, i watched the whole video. Its barely any better.

[u/ShadowsInScarlet]

So, this is just a showcase, right? Even then, there certainly needs to be more feedback when attacking the enemy. Sure, it’s a big dude. But it looks like the hero is slashing through air.

[u/okamkidies]

I hate when human take blows that would usually kill and not flinch

[u/Lazy_Finance6672]

Might be a bit nitpicking, but why does the game need to follow the formula of parrying, dodging and timing attacks? Why can't we just make combat more fluid? Like, not everything needs to be GOW or Souls like?

[u/Deremirekor → u/Lazy_Finance6672]

Probably because parrying, dodging and timing attacks is literally how to fight.

Idk what you’re expecting dude, that’s like saying why can’t we go to the moon without using math cause math is boring

[u/Braunb8888 → u/Lazy_Finance6672]

How else do you think melee sword fighting should work? It’s literally those things. And riposting. And blocking. Which are generally there too.

[u/Xdude227 → u/Lazy_Finance6672]

Our focus group consisting entirely of out of touch 55 year old market analysts have determined this is the most streamlined and profitable enjoyable form of combat.

[u/kinkinhood → u/Lazy_Finance6672]

My concern here s the point that there is 0 reaction by either your character or the npc to getting hit.

[u/JohnnyZen27 → u/kinkinhood]

This was the boss enemy in the area. Other regular enemies were very reactive to hits. So either this boss is still under development, or bigger enemies just don’t get staggered

[u/Innuendo64_]

Oh no

[u/Cash_Cab]

They should probably go back to the drawing board on this one

[u/bruhman444555]

How did they think this is good to show

[u/JarofKompot]

[u/rimasuit3]

I set my expectations real low yet this still managed to underperform.

[u/throwawayurwaste]

Can we please stop with every game's combat being darksouls slop

[u/Hayden_Zammit → u/throwawayurwaste]

How is this "darksouls slop"?

What? Because you can dodge and attack and have stamina? Dark Souls didn't invent any of this.

Dark souls doesn't have attack indicators either lol.