GPU prices are now 28% above MSRP on average, RTX 5090 explodes to 136% above MSRP

[u/JohnGalactusX]

https://www.tweaktown.com/news/113385/gpu-prices-are-now-28-percent-above-msrp-on-average-rtx-5090-explodes-to-136-percent-above-msrp/index.html

NVIDIA

• RTX 5050 - MSRP $249 → US price $300 - +20%
• RTX 5060 - MSRP $299 → US price $450 - +51%
• RTX 5060 Ti 8GB - MSRP $379 → US price $500 - +32% US / +14% global
• RTX 5060 Ti 16GB - MSRP $429 → US price $730 - +70% US / +53% global
• RTX 5070 - MSRP $549 → US price $800 - +46% US / +31% global
• RTX 5070 Ti - MSRP $749 → US price $1,050 - +40% US / +44% global
• RTX 5080 - MSRP $999 → US price $1,550 - +55% US / +38% global
• RTX 5090 - MSRP $1,999 → US price $4,900 - +145% US / +136% global

AMD

• RX 9060 XT 8GB - MSRP $299 → US price $360 - +20% US / +26% global
• RX 9060 XT 16GB - MSRP $349 → US price $460 - +32% US / +28% global
• RX 9070 - MSRP $549 → US price $630 - +15% US / +13% global
• RX 9070 XT - MSRP $599 → US price $750 - +25% US / +21% global

Intel

• Arc B570 - MSRP $219 → US price $260 - +19%
• Arc B580 - MSRP $249 → US price $310 - +25% US / +25% global

[u/FoxyGoddessX]

This hobby is completely fucked for the next 5 years

[u/AtlasPrevail → u/FoxyGoddessX]

Their goal is likely to eliminate the hobby altogether and force everyone to cloud gaming. You own nothing and will like it. Basically. We need AI to crash already.

[u/Granhier → u/AtlasPrevail]

I'm just not sold it's gonna work out for them very well. Unless the goal is to have ALL of personal computing "outsourced" to the cloud, people will have need for PCs for all kinds of workloads, not to mention a no doubt significant portion of people who will just refuse to use Cloud just like they did with Stadia.

If you can't scale due to sheer unwillingness, then all you are doing is to kill a hobby, and I don't think Sony and Microsoft are on board with that, even if they are pushing all digital.

[u/littlebrwnrobot → u/Granhier]

If the strategy were to outsource compute to the cloud, you'd think they'd at least collude with ISPs to actually provide decent internet to people, because that is a COMPLETELY untenable plan with current infrastructure

[u/CelestialOceanOfStar → u/littlebrwnrobot]

Their reach always exceeds their grasp, its the nature of greed

[u/EvidenceMinute4913 → u/littlebrwnrobot]

For real lol I’ve used GeForce now on my steam deck and it’s okay… When the internet speeds are good. But living in an apartment, unless most folks are away or asleep, the internet often isn’t fast enough to not lag.

And then of course the issue that not all games are available for streaming. I wanted to play Elden Ring, but that isn’t an available title. So I stream it from my desktop instead.

[u/Disturbed2468 → u/Granhier]

Yep.

See anything in the professional world, such as CAD at all, professional video editing especially at 4K res and beyond, 3D modeling and rendering with or without a farm, etc. Those all require powerful systems from the get go and rising costs hurts businesses of all levels long-term, from the one-man teams to the large enterprises with thousands of rigs around the world.

The #1 risk would be everyone taking on debt to work, which is actually exactly what a lot of companies have been doing for this 'AI' boom and making said businesses realize that they need to stop overspending because if a full on crash were to happen rather than a gradual ramp down (the much better option) it could quite literally blow up the world economy to the point of bank collapses, with them and a significant chunk of the Fortune 100 companies requiring bailout or else risk losing tens of millions of jobs overnight.

The situation is really rough as all fuck.

[u/Many_Affect9036 → u/Granhier]

Think thats point on,cloud and monthly bill is their wet dream,Altman and his minions can drop dead,stop feeding the troll folks

[u/6786_007 → u/Granhier]

Majority of people are getting by on just their phones and basic shit laptops if they really need a home PC. I think part of the goal is you now need to subscribe to everything. Make storage scare and impossible locally. But compute time instead of owning a powerful device. They want it all outsourced.

[u/Granhier → u/6786_007]

But how the fuck do you "universally" outsource computing power? Do you have a Cloud PC profile that you load up with your own subscriptions? How do professionals or even self employed people buy a computing subscription that includes all their work tools with their own subs?

It sounds like a logistical nightmare to navigate.

[u/6786_007 → u/Granhier]

Easy, dry up the supply on serious hardware and limit consumer to useless bs laptops and desktop clients. Make the OS a literally portal to an instance in the cloud. If Microsoft stops pushing out OS updates what are most gonna do? Linux? Sure but on what hardware? Outdated shit from 10 years ago?

Do you really think all those data centers are just for AI? No. They are building out the capacity to force you to pay for compute.

You will own nothing.

Car prices out of control. House prices out of control. Taxes being raised on people have paid off houses. Technology prices pushing out consumer and going full enterprise. It's coming.

[u/Granhier → u/6786_007]

That's not what I'm asking though. People will need very specific subscriptions for their very specific workloads, for which their PCs are set up in a very specific way.

This isn't like Netflix subs where it's 10 buckaroos a month and everyone and their mother has one. How do they integrate all these hundred to thousand dollar subscription licenses into cloud compute? They are tied to specific people after all, and the needs of these utilities are not quite the same as having an all encompassing game library ready to fly at any time.

[u/6786_007 → u/Granhier]

O gothca, it would be very similar to how AWS EC2 instances are setup. They provide solutions to each type of workload that you may need. So it would be very easy for them to create a "gamer" instance for people who want to game. "Workstation" for people who want those types of work loads, etc.

Data can be saved on cloud drives that you can access as needed. Mounted to each instance based on your usage.

They might even go with a variable design. The OS takes up resources as needed and bills you accordingly. Using lots of ram? Using lots of CPU? Need more GPU? It will just run up the bill. Anything is possible.

Edit: AWS currently has 155 different types of EC2 instances: https://aws.amazon.com/ec2/instance-types/

[u/Granhier → u/6786_007]

Thanks I hate this

[u/6786_007 → u/Granhier]

Yup. It's been difficult to tell people what's coming because they really don't get that the infrastructure is there. It's just a matter of these companies agreeing to fucking us over even more. And believe me they will when money is one the line.

[u/ElectronicStretch277 → u/AtlasPrevail]

I'm not sure who "they" are in this case, but no one would benefit from this. Certainly not GPU manufacturers.

[u/TheNotoriousFAP → u/ElectronicStretch277]

They (Nvidia and AMD) can sell you an upgrade every 5-10 years or they can trap you in a monthly subscription for life while no longer needing to manufacture anything. That's who benefits.

[u/314kabinet → u/TheNotoriousFAP]

If it were subscription based it would be a race to the bottom from all the various providers who bought their compute in bulk for their datacenters. They make more money just selling you all the hardware they make.

[u/AutoCockerPB → u/AtlasPrevail]

Too bad they just killed the fiber movement. Cloud gaming sucks really bad when you’re not on fiber network

[u/The_Majestic_ → u/AtlasPrevail]

No local hardware adds forced into everything

[u/Flyingcookies → u/AtlasPrevail]

Tbh worst case someone can just buy a decent Emulation handheld and game forever

[u/Guilty_Advantage_413 → u/AtlasPrevail]

This has been tried several times and the physical fact that lag will always be present just doesn’t make it viable for many types of games.

[u/Fancy-Dig1863 → u/AtlasPrevail]

This is gonna sound far fetched as fuck but I’d be willing to bet the majority of gamers would rather just stop playing these games than move to an all cloud platform.

[u/6786_007 → u/AtlasPrevail]

I've been saying this for a while. Look at Xbox, they want to be a platform. AMD gave up on flagship gpus. Intel only got into GPUs because they knew AI was going to explode and they wanted a piece of the pie. Nvidia already released GeForce NOW many years ago and it wasn't bad. They will have complete control over the games and access. Memory companies and ssd manufacturers dipping out of consumer markets. And it's gonna get worse.

[u/MaximumDepression17 → u/AtlasPrevail]

Ill literally pick a new hobby before I pay for cloud gaming.

The average consumer is stupid as fuck and ruining the world.

[u/Global-Page-7091 → u/AtlasPrevail]

New hardware is overrated. I bought my PC at the end of last year and thought I would be cranking graphics and running AAA titles at full tilt. I wound up playing OSRS, indie games, and my steam backlog of games from 2008-2016. Most new AAA games are kinda ass.

You can play 90% of the games ever made on a modern phone. A used $500 system will do it even better.

Hardware repair and the used market are about to grow exponentially while these greedy tech companies bleed themselves dry and beg for government cheese.

[u/MammothUnique4147 → u/AtlasPrevail]

Yeah! AI isn't real! It's a scam! SCAM SCAM! 

[u/TheWindowWasher7 → u/FoxyGoddessX]

I can’t see the prices ever coming back down. Even if ai is a bubble that bursts, they have seen that people will pay this, which sadly means it’s probably the new baseline.

[u/suprememontana → u/TheWindowWasher7]

I don’t know why you’re being downvoted when the 3080 to 4080 went from $700 to $1200 MSRP. Nvidia has shown before they really don’t give a shit what people have to say about them in the gaming space. I think prices will go down again eventually but the next generation of cards will have another ridiculous jump in MSRP

[u/FoxyGoddessX → u/TheWindowWasher7]

They will have to face the reality of lowering prices so people can buy them or accept the major profit loss. The concept of infinite profits only has another decade or two left

[u/mstpguy → u/FoxyGoddessX]

People will find ways to build, though the latest and greatest stuff is out of reach. 

I have a modern, midrange PC, but want to try something new. Or rather, old. 

I am about to assemble a PC of old parts and spare parts that I found in my closet (or on ebay). i7-5775C/DDR3, with two GPUs (3070 and 1080). Maybe I will delid the CPU and give it a slight overclock. Gonna try Lossless Scaling and see how it performs. It won't win any awards, but it'll be interesting to build and tweak. It'll scratch the itch. 

[u/killer5907 → u/FoxyGoddessX]

I wouldn't say screwed, just less available to other classes of people. PC parts as a whole will be available to console manufacturers, the people who are earning 80k or more, AI professionals/ businesses and lastly Schools.

The main worry is the lower class people and the people slightly above them but not considered middle class.

[u/RiftHunter4 → u/FoxyGoddessX]

I doubt the current conditions will last beyond 2027 at this rate. I don't see the Ai build out lasting that long.

[u/justanearthling → u/FoxyGoddessX]

I wish it’s 5 years only! Btw, Covid was 6-7 years ago? Doesn’t sound this bad does it ;)

[u/CrackBabyCSGO → u/FoxyGoddessX]

Salaries are going up as well. If your salary isn’t going up it’s time to switch companies.

[u/randommaniac12 → u/CrackBabyCSGO]

The job market is absolutely terrible as well, people are trying to switch and are unable to or don’t have a job all together

[u/CrackBabyCSGO → u/randommaniac12]

That’s just a major skill issue. Maybe don’t waste time on video games when you are too unskilled to enter the workforce?

[u/EIiteJT]

I miss when an 80 class card was $500-600.

[u/Furry_bean_flux → u/EIiteJT]

I also miss when the 80 class was enthusiast class. Now it feels like a compromise between my wallet and insanity....

[u/acdgf → u/Furry_bean_flux]

RTX5080 is still enthusiast class, it performs better than literally every other consumer video card ever except for 2 (4090 and 5090). The 90 just went from halo prosumer to entry level data center. 

[u/Furry_bean_flux → u/acdgf]

That really made me feel better, thank you! You are absolutely right.

[u/ProfRock → u/EIiteJT]

5090 at 136% above msrp sounds wild expensive

[u/evernessince → u/EIiteJT]

Back then you got more of the full die and 75% flagship memory capacity most of the time too. The xx80 class is so trash nowadays.

[u/Bitter_Hospital_8279]

4090 build about to go until the 2030s lol

[u/Stupiduselessthrow → u/Bitter_Hospital_8279]

Tbf it’s still one of the best cards ever created

[u/Hyper_Mazino → u/Stupiduselessthrow]

It’s still the second most powerful card on the market 4 years after release.

Aging like fine wine.

[u/ericgames234 → u/Hyper_Mazino]

so long as the 12vhpwr doesn't do anything suspicious.

[u/djsnoopmike → u/Bitter_Hospital_8279]

The new 1080ti

[u/Arighetto → u/Bitter_Hospital_8279]

I’m praying mine lasts for a while because I’m gonna use it until it dies.

[u/injineer → u/Bitter_Hospital_8279]

Yeah this is me. Was stoked to find it at MSRP when I got it, can’t imagine trying that song and dance now.

[u/ChilyCheeseFries → u/Bitter_Hospital_8279]

That's me with my 2070super!

[u/angry_RL_player]

AMD is still better value even with price hikes, though I have heard in Asia and Canada it's approaching $1000 so buy now!

[u/RStiltskins → u/angry_RL_player]

I paid $1000CAN for 9070XT on launch.

As of today it's still listed as $1000 to buy for the same model

[u/tylan4life → u/RStiltskins]

Memory express had a clearance for the 7900xt, $800s down from $1200s CAD. Jumped on that way ahead of my upgrade schedule, but was worth it. 

[u/SpiritualGearbox → u/angry_RL_player]

I bought just my 5th build for my home (excessive I know) just because of the price hikes.

[u/johnhuey]

Jensen stealing from us gamers

[u/6786_007 → u/johnhuey]

Have you seen Nvidia stocks? The don't give a shit about gamers. And they likely won't for a while. It's all about ai.

[u/ThewayoftheAj]

Seems like AMD is the way to go for the forseeable future

[u/Captobvious75 → u/[deleted]]

My, what a stupid comment. AMD is a very viable GPU brand to use.

[u/evernessince → u/[deleted]]

Oh please, everytime I update the drivers on my 4090 I have to roll the dice as to whether they won't carry some annoying bug. Had to disable MPO just to get the latest ones to not stutter when moving windows.

[u/Captobvious75 → u/[deleted]]

I’m not doing any of that. The cope is strong here.

All I do is run a -40mv, -20% PL and keep the FSR4 upgrade tab and Radeon Chill (FPS cap) active.

🤷‍♂️

[u/Captobvious75 → u/[deleted]]

I didn’t have to undervolt and power limit- I chose to. All I had to enable was a fps limit and FSR upgrade. Lol

Regarding appreciation- sell your card then. Otherwise, don’t talk to me about paper gains. I over doubled my money on MU stock and realized on it.

Stop being a clown.

[u/AutoMouse]

Jesuschristonapogostick… 730usd for 5060 Ti 16GB.. hold onto your GPUs, people.

Got 5090 FE msrp last year. This boy better not burn out on me in its lifetime. Or in my lifetime.

[u/wyvanse → u/AutoMouse]

Really depends on how long you plan on living

[u/MammothUnique4147 → u/wyvanse]

He should unplug the computer, put it an enclosure for safety and then he can live forever!

[u/Scotsch → u/AutoMouse]

My 4070 started acting sus, nvidia driving crashing windows. Happened a lot on two different days, weeks apart. Been solid for a week now. Please god.

[u/sworl5 → u/Scotsch]

Bro is acting like 4000 series is some ancient technology

[u/Alu_card_10]

5070 TI price now (USD) is what I’ve paid where I live before all the shenanigans

[u/Ragnaroknight]

And yet I'll still see nothing but 5090 build posts on this sub lol

[u/Foosnaggle → u/Ragnaroknight]

Because people are dumb enough to buy them.

[u/InternetUser1807 → u/Foosnaggle]

This is primarily a consumerist's hobby and at this point I'm not sure anything will stop them so long as consumer debt options exist

[u/beachbummeddd]

Still rocking my 1660 super from 2019 almost likely never buy a graphics card again until these companies realize they’re fucking insane.

[u/The_Majestic_]

Its so blatant they are not actually competing with each other when ever Nvida rices prices AMD copies them and they are both all in on Data centers and AI.

I do really want to upgrade but a 5080 starts at 3KNZD and I saving but its just so depressing when the goal post moves every month.

[u/s00pafly → u/The_Majestic_]

At least you can buy yourself a still and make all the alcohol you need to drink your sorrows away.

[u/Cute_Commission_8281]

Damn I’m shocked it’s only 28%, amd really pulling their weight there.

[u/ElectronicStretch277 → u/Cute_Commission_8281]

Ehh, some of it is just gddr6 not being as in demand and an older, cheaper standard to produce. Not sure how much of that is AMD. About the only indication they're doing something is the 9070.

[u/-Weezmo]

Rtx 5080 was averaging $1800 to 2499 CAD on july. Checked the price this morning, it was $2300 to 3k CAD for the rog astral… that’s insane lol who the fk buys gpu at those prices ?

[u/Soleks2000 → u/-Weezmo]

people who can’t control themselves because they need to be able to see perfect ray tracing and their reflections and puddles

[u/sporkeh01 → u/Soleks2000]

https://giphy.com/gifs/cOKCPsHUmVhLOozEOZ

[u/Reggitor360 → u/-Weezmo]

Nvidia fanboys buy a 5060Ti at higher price than a 9070XT.

So be prepared for next Gen pricing xD

[u/adonhit]

Dang I want to upgrade from a 2070 Super but it’s looking rough.

[u/Ded1nside]

Really getting hard to justify keeping this when the gpu is worth more than i paid for the full build…

[u/razvanciuy]

hug your GPUs because they are worth their weight in gold (soon[tm])

[u/Bunjimobile]

To me that just means I will only buy either a 5070 or a 5060 ti 16gb .....those 2 cards will work for all my games. The 5080 and 5090 cards draw too much power where it risks melting the cables anyways.

[u/OpinionsRWild]

Just remember WE collectively supported this AI movement unknowingly with the advent of DLSS and Frame Generation. This has been the corporate long term plan for an extremely long time

[u/StickStill9790 → u/OpinionsRWild]

I mean, you could still get a cheap 50 series card for 300$ that will blow away your old card. You don’t HAVE to spend for the best and newest.

[u/OpinionsRWild → u/StickStill9790]

Show me a $300 50-series card that actually 'blows away' a high-end previous-gen card without crippling compromises on VRAM. The entry-level price brackets have been completely hollowed out. After the 10series GPUs have gone to shit. We accepted it too. Graphic demands went up, artificial intelligence went up, actual hardware design and implementation cratered.

[u/Temporary-Degree5221]

Makes me wanna sell my 4090 FE for $4000 lmao

[u/Stupiduselessthrow → u/Temporary-Degree5221]

Same

[u/Temporary-Degree5221 → u/Stupiduselessthrow]

Like seriously, I can get by with GeForce now for whatever that runs on it, and just use my steam deck for everything else. I got my 4090 FE 10% off MSRP when Best Buy has that coupon going.

[u/Stupiduselessthrow → u/Temporary-Degree5221]

I pretty much got a free PC with mine since it was prebuilt lol

[u/Realistic-Table9398 → u/Temporary-Degree5221]

Good luck getting that price for it lol

[u/Temporary-Degree5221 → u/Realistic-Table9398]

At this rate, I’m sure someone will take it eventually lol

[u/AIGISREFLECTOR]

Thank you for this information, I was not aware

[u/AntiSocial_Vigilante]

sigh

[u/TangledThorns]

My fear is that nVidia will completely abandon graphics gaming for AI.

[u/Destituted]

A few years ago, the Titan class was for people with FU money that would spend $1299 for very very small gains over the flagship.

Now the FU money has quadrupled and the new FU money class is probably around $10k (RTX 6000)

[u/tyler980908]

I think I upgraded JUST in time before this recent spike. I also got my GPU on sale, it was way to much than what it shouldve been (like them all), but better than this!

[u/InsuranceKey8278]

lmao rtx5090 explodes!

[u/SenseOfPrideEA]

Honestly i dont even know when i should be upgrading. I have a 3080 rig and it works well, but if prices keep going up like this then when I do need to eventually upgrade, the rig I would want would cost exponentially more due to the price increases.

A rig with a 5080 i want its about $4400 AUD. When I want to upgrade, that price will jump god knows how much.

[u/x__aaadii__x]

Not just the 50 series, when I bought my 3060, it was for around 24k(inr) 250 usd, now it is selling for 60k(inr) 630 usd.

[u/ForwardScratch7741]

9070xt is around 1000$ btw in india

[u/Escapement_Watch]

Paid $1118 usd for my 5070ti

[u/druidmain69420]

I have a laptop with a 4070 and a desktop with a 5080, I think im gonna be just fine for awhile. Frame gen is nutty and let's the laptop punch way above its grade.

[u/eddie__b]

I rather not game at all..

[u/DannyTannersFlow]

I guess I’ll keep playing 1440p for the next 10 years. No big deal.

[u/GustavSnapper]

All because dorks want some clanker to do the critical thinking for them…

[u/DrPhilSideSkirts]

Good thing I bought my 5090 at launch, sheesh

[u/Destituted → u/DrPhilSideSkirts]

You need to baby that thing with your life. These companies aren't even replacing them anymore under warranty, they're just giving you what you paid for it back which would be a down payment toward a new one lol.

[u/DrPhilSideSkirts → u/Destituted]

Nah dude, that shit is overrated.

I had my 4090 for close to 3 years with no issues, same with my 5090 for 1.5years, no issues. I'll be fine.

Also furthermore, warranty works differently here in Norway. Stores are literally forced to follow very strict laws. So yet again, I'm fine.

[u/Moist-Construction59]

I’d still say the 5090 is worth $5k now.

Do I get $10k worth of entertainment out of my gaming PC over the course of 3-4 years? Fuck yes I do!

[u/Electrical-Scale-506 → u/Moist-Construction59]

Ok put your money where your mouth is and buy a $5,000 5090 rn. And if you already have one, buy another since it’s so worth it.

[u/Moist-Construction59 → u/Electrical-Scale-506]

I bought one in April. I don’t think you understand how much I spend on computers and peripherals. I generally spend $5-6k/year on pc equipment. It’s my primary hobby.

Which is nothing for a primary hobby. Most people at my income level are buying small airplanes to fly or track Miatas or whatever to go racing. This shit is actually very cheap. Is it way more expensive than it used to be? Absolutely. Still a good bang for the buck, in my opinion.