r/prawokrwi Jan 13 '26

Mod Post Start here: r/prawokrwi Wiki (Index)

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Welcome to r/prawokrwi - Start here

This sub was made so that questions relating to Polish citizenship law can be concentrated here, instead of across various other subs like r/poland. Please keep discussion on topic and write in English or Polish only.

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r/prawokrwi Jan 15 '26

Mod Post Megathread Index

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This is the Megathread Index. Please use the linked threads for recurring topics.

If you think another recurring topic should be bundled into a dedicated thread, please leave a suggestion in the comments.

1) Processing times / timelines

2) Pre-1920 Russian Partition: “Vital records only” (test cases)

3) Service providers

4) Polish Citizenship Podcasts/Vlogs


r/prawokrwi 6h ago

Eligibility Trans-Olza border changes?

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Potentially tricky claim – my grandfather was born in 1925 in Błędowice/Bludovice (now Czechia). At the time, the borders of this Trans-Olza region shifted dramatically. In 1918, Dolni Bludovice was assigned to Poland. 1919 saw war between Poland and Czechoslovakia. 1920, agreed that Dolni Bludovice went to Czechoslovakia (so the time of my grandfather’s birth). But then in 1938, Poland annexes the Czech part of Cieszyn Silesia and Błędowice/Bludovice becomes Poland once more. 1939 sees Germany invade Poland.

So my great-grandma (b.1903) was born in Poland. By the time my Grandfather was born, it was Czechoslovakia and then 1938 turns it back into Poland for 11 months. We don’t have any details of his father – this was left blank on the birth certificate. I think I can possibly prove that my great grandmother resided in Błędowice/Bludovice continuously (I can find the family in the 1921 census and have applied for the 1930/1930 censuses – still awaiting a response).

My grandfather was visiting family in Poland when WW2 started. Details are sketchy (working to confirm) but we think he was sent to a forced labour camp in ‘Siberia’. From there, he self-identified as Polish (was fluent in Polish) and joined Anders Army. Eventually fighting with the British. Again, details of his military service are sketchy, but am awaiting a response from the UK Ministry of Defence. He was brought to the UK after the end of the war in a Polish Family Camp in Staffordshire. He married a UK woman in 1954 and he naturalised as a UK citizen in 1964. My mother was born in 1957, prior to naturalisation.

I would like to apply for Polish citizenship by descent, but I am not sure about the territorial changes. Has anyone been in this circumstance? What would you say my chance of success is?

 

Great-Grandparents: 

* Date married: Not applicable (never married)

* Date divorced: Not applicable

GGM: 

* Date, place of birth: 1903, Błędowice/Bludovice (now Czechia)

* Ethnicity and religion: Catholic

* Occupation: Homemaker

* Allegiance and dates of military service: unknown, presume none

* Date, destination for emigration: Not applicable

* Date naturalized: Not applicable

* Date, place of death: Between 1978 and 1982, likely to be Błędowice/Bludovice (now Czechia)

GGF: 

* Date, place of birth: Not known – details not listed on birth certificate (section left blank)

* Ethnicity and religion: Not known – details not listed on birth certificate (section left blank)

* Occupation: Not known – details not listed on birth certificate (section left blank)

* Allegiance and dates of military service: unknown

* Date, destination for emigration: Unknown

* Date naturalized: Unknown

* Date, place of death: Not known

Grandparent: 

* Sex: Male

* Date, place of birth: Błędowice/Bludovice (now Czechia) but was technically Poland

* Date married: UK, 1954

* Citizenship of spouse: British

* Date divorced: n/a

* Occupation: Labourer in a Dairy

* Allegiance and dates of military service: Polish II Corps (dates unknown – awaiting confirmation from the MOD for military records). Resettled in Polish Family Camp in Blackshaw Moor, Staffordshire

(If applicable)

  • Date, destination for emigration: unknown
  • Date naturalized: February 1964
  • Date, place of death: UK, March 2017

Parent: 

* Sex: Female

* Date, place of birth: UK, 1957

* Date married: UK, 1981

* Date divorced: UK, 2010

You: 

* Date, place of birth: UK, 1982


r/prawokrwi 20h ago

Eligibility Is My Friend Eligible?

2 Upvotes

Hello, I am a Polish citizenship-holding user and I've been trying to help out my friend get his Polish citizenship since he has a Polish last name and his Great-Grandfather is from Poland. Here's what I have:

Great-Grandfather: 

* Sex: Male

* Date, place of birth: November 29, 1913, Dąbie, Łuków (Now in Lublin Voivodeship)

* Date married: April 1951 in Bremen, Germany

* Citizenship of spouse: Polish (Born in Tuchola)

* Date divorced: N/A

* Occupation: Farmer

* Allegiance and dates of military service: Polish Army, date of service N/A

* Date, destination for emigration: October 1951 from Bremen Germany, Destination was USA

* Date naturalized: June 1964

* Date, place of death: April 2005, USA

Grandparent: 

* Sex: Female

* Date, place of birth: January 31, 1955, USA

Father: 

* Sex: Male

* Date, place of birth: 1978, USA

You: 

* Sex: Male

* Date, place of birth: June 2006, USA

edit: switched out 'Parent' for 'Father'


r/prawokrwi 1d ago

Eligibility Eligibility

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Hi everyone,

I've been doing some research into my family tree and was curious if I could potentially have a claim here, although it's pre-1920 and I still have some gaps I'm trying to fill, so I'm not sure. Thanks in advance!

Great-Grandparents: 

* Date married: July 1917

* Date divorced: N/A

GGM: 

* Date, place of birth: 1896, Podlaskie, Poland (Russia Poland then)

* Ethnicity and religion: Catholic

* Occupation: Housewife

* Allegiance and dates of military service: N/A

* Date, destination for emigration: 1913

* Date naturalized: N/A

* Date, place of death: 1975, USA

GGF: 

* Date, place of birth: 1893, Podlaskie, Poland (Russia Poland)

* Ethnicity and religion: Catholic

* Occupation: factory worker

* Allegiance and dates of military service: N/A

* Date, destination for emigration: 1912

* Date naturalized: N/A (can't find a date/any info on naturalization online yet, beyond first papers in a 1930 census - still searching)

* Date, place of death: 1955, USA

Grandparent: 

* Sex: Male

* Date, place of birth: 1933, USA

* Date married: 1956

* Citizenship of spouse: USA

* Date divorced: N/A

* Occupation: Factory worker

* Allegiance and dates of military service: 1953 - 1955 (USA)

* Date, place of death: 2024, USA

Parent: 

* Sex: Female

* Date, place of birth: 1958, USA

* Date married: 1987

* Date divorced: N/A

You: 

* Date, place of birth: 1997, USA


r/prawokrwi 2d ago

Mod Post AutoMod Update - August 2026

8 Upvotes

What's new

  • Use !progress to pull up the latest processing-time snapshot (queue status and longest-waiting cases) without hunting through old threads.
  • !assessment (or !tool) now links straight to the interactive self-assessment tool, which is worth running through before putting together an Eligibility post.
  • AutoMod now quietly flags comments that read like AI output and holds them for mod review against Rule 4 without automatic removal. The !AI command still works for manual callouts.
  • Comments that look like service-provider self-promotion get held for review rather than posting directly to the feed.
  • The pre-1920 ius soli detector now covers a few additional jurisdictions, including Australia and several Latin American countries.

What's gone

The "Voivode" Easter egg is dead. Again. Turns out a subreddit about Polish administrative divisions talks about Polish administrative divisions a lot, so following "voivodeship" which got dropped last time, "Voivode" is now officially retiring too. We should really stop being surprised by this.

- The Mod Team


r/prawokrwi 1d ago

Other Some questions regarding the citizenship process.

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I have been chatting with another user on here who has been extremely helpful but I don't want to overstay my welcome in their DMs. They also mentioned a couple other users in his sub that could answer some things as well.

I just had a couple questions, some of it is regarding the application itself. I'm doing the one that's confirming the possession of citizenship.

Firstly, I am trying to get my wife her citizenship through her mother. I was talking with my wife's grandfather about the application and found out that he and his wife both have the PESEL numbers in unexpired passports. My MIL has her old consular (I think it's called) passport from when they came to the USA. I read that, with the dates that the PESEL system came about, my MIL could have been registered in it at some point before she left maybe. If she were, would that make any difference in the process? She has the "Nr Akt" on the passport still, but I'm not sure if that helps with anything. I was going to have the passport copied and notarized and sent in with the application.

Next, the internet mentioned I need to have my MILs marriage and divorce transcribed into the system and I can send the documents in for it when I send in the citizenship application. The internet (just google) says that the since my MILs married name is on my wife's birth certificate and my MILs maiden name is on our marriage license, that the government or whoever looking at the application can't really say they are the same person unless I get the marriage and divorce stuff into their system. I'm not sure how true that is. It claims I could receive a "wezwanie" or something asking for the information. Does this information matter or should I not include it and just roll with what I have.

Lastly, regarding the application, I assume it's better to not leave blanks? For instance, do I need to put the great grandparent information or can I put "NIEZNANY" or "NIE DOTYCZY" in those spots? Also some things aren't going to fit in the boxes, do I stop when I run out or just write next to it. And where it says "confirming possession of Polish citizenship by" do I put my MILs name since I'm using her as the lineage or my wife's name since it's her application?

Google Translate translates the Polish awkwardly sometimes so I'm putting what I think in some spots. Like the spots where it says "uzywane nazwiska wraz z data zmiany" I'm not sure what it wants in regards to my MIL. Just her surname and the date of the marriage (though there's no spot for the date" or does it want maiden name too? It asks for all that information above that though.

When it asks place of birth (country/town) how does that work? Do I just put USA and the town or am I supposed to put state too? I had it like "USA/ TOWN STATE" on the application since it showed the slash in the category. Same with the "citizenships held on the date of the person concerned in the application" do I list them all with spaces or do I need to put slashes or what? I mean it's just USA and Poland. Unless I need to write USA in Polish like everything else?

Please excuse my ignorance with all of this, it's hard to translate the application and it's also hard to understand and explain it to my wife's grandfather. I just didn't want the application to be kicked back to me a bunch of times because I messed up so much on it. Thank you very much everyone and I'm sorry this is so long.


r/prawokrwi 2d ago

Research question Feasibility of doing a pre-1920 Russian partition case on my own?

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Hello! I'm excited! I think I have a case, but I'd rather save $3,000 for a trip to the Ojczyna than spend it on a law firm. I'm not sure how realistic it is for me to do everything on my own though.

GGGF: 

* Date, place of birth: My pra-pra-dziadek was born in the Russian Partition in 1886 in Danilowicze Village, Novogrudok, Russia. Google says this land became part of the Second Polish Republic, but today is part of Belarus.

* Occupation: Coal miner

* Date, destination for emigration: ~1911 to USA.

* Date naturalized: On the 1920 and 1930 censuses, he is listed as "AL" for alien. 1950 census shows naturalization of him but not his Polish wife.

GGF: 

* Date, place of birth: 1927, USA

* Occupation: Factory worker

GF: 

* Date, place of birth: September 1951

* Allegiance and dates of military service: Served in the US Navy from 1971-73

I do have the problem that my GGGF's birthdate is off by 1 or 2 years. Also, some documents use his original name and some use his Americanized name. The two names aren't exactly close, but it's the same guy. All 10 (ten) of his children match up.

How do I get his birth/residency records? Do I need to deal with Poland, Belarus, or (sic) Russia?

Regardless of outcome, I love you with all my heart, Polska. My mama's famous pierogis more than make up for all the bullying I received for my strange-even-by-Polish-standards last name. I am proud to come from such a tremendous history and culture. Poland is the coolest country in Europe. Winged Hussars are more badass than even the Samurai.

If things work out, I promise to learn your insane alphabet soup language. I will eat your ludicrous ketchup, mushrooms, and baguette zappykacky "pizza". I will pledge my life to reclaiming the land of my fathers from the White Russians.

Jeszcze Polska nie zginela.

KURWAAAAAA!!!


r/prawokrwi 2d ago

Eligibility General questions and the waiting game

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So question for other Galicia/Ternopil region ancestry, I’ve seen things saying that if on some documents it says Ukrainian it could be kicked out of claiming citizenship passed down, on some documents it says polish, others polish Ukrainian, so what’s anyone’s experience with that language on administrative paperwork being fought about when he was born in 1926 and didn’t go back to what was now the Ukrainian soviet republic etc


r/prawokrwi 3d ago

Eligibility Eligibility template

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Eligibility template below for my wife. My sense is that she is eligible; however, I am not sure what documentation will be sufficient to prove it, what is available in archives with a local researcher, and what other evidence is accepted from documentation the family does have. I appreciate any input. Thank you!

Great-Grandparents: 

* Date married: 1905 - Słomniki, Poland (recently found scan of marriage record from Szukaj w Archiwach in Cyrillic)

GGM: 

* Date, place of birth: ~1885, Słomniki (per details in marriage record)

* Ethnicity and religion: Jewish

* Date, place of death: 1942, Bełżec

GGF: 

* Date, place of birth: 1882, Wolbrom (per details in marriage record)

* Ethnicity and religion: Jewish

* Occupation: tailor

* Allegiance and dates of military service: unknown

* Date, place of death: 1942, Bełżec

* Additional details: Recently found GGF listed on 1930-1933 "Lista Składek" scans for the Jewish Community in Słomniki archived at Szukaj w Archiwach.

Grandparent: 

* Sex: Male

* Date, place of birth: 1917 - Słomniki (have copy of birth certificate issued in 1947 from USCIS immigration records but no original, not available on Szukaj w Archiwach so may need to acquire certified copy from USC Słomniki if available)

* Date married: 1950

* Citizenship of spouse: USA

* Occupation: tailor

* Allegiance and dates of military service: Family oral history is that he was conscripted in Polish Army during the September campaign, but family currently has no records of this

  • Date, destination for emigration: following the war, resident in Germany until emigrating to US in 1947.
  • Date naturalized: 1955 - USA (we have a certified copy of naturalization record from the court)
  • Date, place of death: 2009 - Hartford, CT, USA

* Additional details: My understanding from here is that population registers from the interwar period are not available for Slomniki. We have reached out to JRI-Poland to see if school records referenced in the post are available. The Arolsen Archives have documents referring to grandfather's Polish nationality but the only Polish-issued document is the 1947 copy of the birth certificate).

Parent: 

* Sex: F

* Date, place of birth: 1956 - USA

* Date married: 1985

You: 

* Date, place of birth: 1987 - USA


r/prawokrwi 4d ago

Research question Pre-1920 Galician records online research help

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Both lineages I want to use to support my case come from Austrian Galicia pre-1920. Born 1880s-1890s in Krosno, Białobrzegi, Przyszowa, and Trzesowka. The only records I've found online are parish birth records. I've tried searching szukajwarchiwach and other places for town specific records, censuses, etc but I've hit a wall and I'm hoping to find more before I contact a genealogist in Poland. Any advice from someone familiar with this time period and these specific towns? My Latin is much better than my Polish, but I can sift through things and find names just fine.


r/prawokrwi 4d ago

Eligibility Wondering about my citizenship eligibility, do I have a possible case?

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Great-Grandparents: 

* Date married: February 1, 1936

* Date divorced: N/A

GGM: 

* Date, place of birth: September 12, 1908, Stanislawow, Poland (currently Ivano-Frankivsk, Ukraine)

* Ethnicity and religion: Jewish

* Occupation: Unknown, probably helped run my GGF's laundry

* Allegiance and dates of military service: N/A

* Date, destination for emigration: Nov 18, 1928, New York City

* Date naturalized: N/A

* Date, place of death: August 17, 2000

GGF: 

* Date, place of birth: 1907-1908, most likely Romania

* Ethnicity and religion: Jewish

* Occupation: Laundry owner

* Allegiance and dates of military service: N/A

* Date, destination for emigration: August 16, 1933, New York City

* Date naturalized: Had already naturalized through father upon arrival

* Date, place of death: March 31, 1978, Long Island

Grandparent: 

* Sex: Male

* Date, place of birth: February 21, 1943

* Date married: January 1970

* Citizenship of spouse: American

* Date divorced: N/A

* Occupation: Lawyer

* Allegiance and dates of military service: N/A

(If applicable)

  • Date, destination for emigration:
  • Date naturalized:
  • Date, place of death:

Parent: 

* Sex: Female

* Date, place of birth: December 31, 1975, New York

* Date married: July 1, 2006

* Date divorced: N/A

You: 

* Date, place of birth: August 17, 2009, New York


r/prawokrwi 5d ago

Other Shipped my documents to Poland

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Finally got everything gathered that I have and shipped to Poland but I realized, I didn't put a date on the documents I signed for power of attorney and authorizing my advocate to do work. Do I need to reprint these and mail again with the date written in as well? They're all hand signed with blue ink by my wife (for marriage cert) and I. Sorry if a dumb question, my guess is yes but I want to double check and be safe. Otherwise, I'm very excited even with the extremely long wait :D.


r/prawokrwi 4d ago

Eligibility Eligibility check – pre-1920 Austrian Partition case, Polish passport evidence, later foreign citizenship / military paradox

0 Upvotes

Hi everyone,

I would appreciate a legal sanity check on a pre-1920 Polish citizenship-by-descent case before I decide whether to hire a provider.

I am intentionally omitting names and exact identifying details for privacy.

Great-Grandparents:

Date married: 1930, South America
Date divorced: None known

GGM:

Date, place of birth: 1910, Germany
Ethnicity and religion: German; religion not relevant to the claim
Occupation: Unknown
Allegiance and dates of military service: None known
Date, destination for emigration: Europe → South America
Date naturalized: No known naturalization relevant to the Polish line
Date, place of death: Unknown / not relevant

GGF:

Date, place of birth: 1895, Belgium
Ethnicity and religion: Jewish family of Kraków / Austrian Galicia origin
Occupation: Commercial / merchant work
Allegiance and dates of military service: No known foreign military service
Date, destination for emigration: Lived in Belgium and the UK before later moving to South America
Date naturalized: Exact date of Belgian citizenship acquisition is unknown. He was still officially registered as a foreigner in Belgium in August 1920, but later records from 1922 identify him as Belgian.
Date, place of death: Not relevant to the question

Grandparent:

Sex: Male
Date, place of birth: 1934, Chile
Date married: Unknown / not relevant
Citizenship of spouse: Chilean
Date divorced: N/A / unknown
Occupation: Not relevant
Allegiance and dates of military service: No known foreign military service relevant to Polish citizenship loss

Parent:

Sex: Male
Date, place of birth: 1967, Chile
Date married: Not relevant
Date divorced: Not relevant

You:

Date, place of birth: 2002, Chile

Additional information relevant to the claim

The direct paternal line is:

Kraków ancestor → son born in Kraków → son born in Belgium in 1895 → son born in Chile in 1934 → son born in Chile in 1967 → me

The family surname later changed slightly in South America.

The key ancestor for the claim is my great-grandfather, born in Belgium in 1895.

His father was born in Kraków, Austrian Galicia, and I located the family in the 1870 Kraków census.

In the census, the relevant household has “Kraków” in the Przynależność column, with repetition marks for the family members.

My understanding is that this may be evidence of Heimatrecht / prawo swojszczyzny, rather than merely residence.

His father later moved through Switzerland and Belgium.

Critical 1919–1920 evidence

I found an official Belgian police immigration/foreigner record from August 1920 for my great-grandfather.

The record treats him as a foreigner and states that he presented a Polish passport issued by the Polish Consulate in London in December 1919.

I am withholding the passport number and personal details here for privacy, but I have the archival image.

The chronology is approximately:

  • Dec 1919 – Polish passport issued by the Polish Consulate in London
  • Jan 1920 – Polish Citizenship Act enters into force
  • Aug 1920 – Belgian police still registers him as a foreigner using that Polish passport
  • 1921 – documented living in the UK
  • Late 1922 – travel records identify him as Belgian
  • 1934 – his legitimate son is born in Chile

I have not yet found the exact Belgian nationality acquisition record, so I do not know the precise date or legal mechanism by which he became Belgian.

Main questions

1. Initial Polish citizenship

Would a person in this situation have acquired Polish citizenship under the 1920 Act through his father’s Kraków Heimatrecht / municipal belonging?

How much weight would you give to:

  • the Kraków Przynależność entry;
  • the Polish passport issued in December 1919;
  • and the fact that Belgian authorities were still treating him as a foreigner in August 1920?

My concern is whether some Belgian nationality rule could nevertheless have made him Belgian before 31 January 1920.

2. Later Belgian citizenship / Article 11

Assuming he was Polish in 1920, he appears to have become Belgian sometime after August 1920 and before late 1922.

He was born in 1895, so he was in his mid-20s.

There is no known evidence that he:

  • served in a foreign military;
  • held foreign public office;
  • obtained Polish permission to change citizenship;
  • formally renounced Polish citizenship;
  • or was deprived of Polish citizenship.

Would the Article 11 military-service rule / “military paradox” likely have prevented his acquisition of Belgian citizenship from causing an effective loss of Polish citizenship?

If he remained Polish until 1934, my understanding is that citizenship would then have passed to his legitimate son and through the later paternal generations.

I would especially appreciate input from anyone familiar with:

  • Austrian Partition cases
  • Heimatrecht / prawo swojszczyzny
  • Circular No. 18
  • Article 11 of the 1920 Citizenship Act
  • military paradox cases
  • post-1920 foreign naturalization

I am not looking for an optimistic answer. I am trying to identify any legal issue that would clearly break the chain before paying for professional representation.

Thanks!


r/prawokrwi 4d ago

Other Registering Son’s Birth

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I recently had my confirmation of Polish citizenship and received my passport (Thanks Lexmotion!).
My son who is in his mid-30’s wasn’t interested in acquiring Polish citizenship.
Part of my reason for doing this was not to break the chain and for him to have the option of doing so in the future.

Is there any benefit to registering his birth certificate with Polish authorities to save him some steps in the future?
If so, is there a relatively cheap way of doing it without having to incur a lot of legal fees?

Thanks, and good luck to everyone applying for citizenship by descent.
Hang in there. It’s worth the wait.


r/prawokrwi 5d ago

Some off-cycle Progress Tracker data

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Because I had some extra time I decided to start breaking down some analytics from our Progress Tracker dataset. We're still pretty early, but there were some interesting trends to note:

  • We're up to 95 applications in tracking, including 19 successes.
  • Of these, 18% are first-generation applicants (G1, claiming citizenship through a parent); 41% are G2; 38% are G3; and 3% are G4.
  • Our cases are 29% pre-1920, 52% 1920-1951, and 19% post-1951.
  • Of our 28 pre-1920 cases, 61% are Russian Partition (43% Kingdom of Poland, 18% other), and 39% are Austrian Partition. To date we still don't have a Prussian / German Partition case.
  • These applications span a period of nearly four years, from October 2022 to August 2026. My back of the envelope guess is we're capturing around ~0.1% (roughly 1 in 1000) of the total applications submitted in that period.

Our dataset and membership are likely not representative of the broader applicant pool. My guess is we skew more distant in claim and generation; are tilted more towards applicants from the US, Canada, and the UK; and are more likely to succeed due to thoroughness and use of providers than average. Speaking of providers - I would love any insights our resident professionals have on trends and how our stats compare to their experiences more broadly, given the volume they've seen.

I'll try to do these from time to time - hope you find a few stats interesting!


r/prawokrwi 5d ago

Research question Genealogists working in Ukraine?

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I continue to look for records about my Grandfather whose village is in Volhynia. Records are scarce there and, while I have found some, I'm hopeful to find more. His birth record and my GGP's marriage records look to be lost. So, I'm looking for some solid secondary evidence.

I'm working on my own through this, but DAVO doesn't have a lot of records viewable online (aside from the indices). That includes Family Search. Some of this seems to just need boots on the ground in the archive.

Do we have a list of genealogy providers that work in Ukraine, especially any who focus in Volhynia?

Thanks


r/prawokrwi 5d ago

Research question A lack of records in the region.

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Genealogists tell me there are no government or military records for my grandfather’s village in Ukrainian Volhynia. The only records are two church confessionals from 1912 and 1913. The village is Nudyzhe. He appears in both.
I have his original 1923 citizenship papers for the USA where he renounces Poland and the present government of Russia.
He claimed was in the Russian 68th regiment for 2 months on his draft papers but if those records exist they’re in Moscow.
Are these records enough or should I save the application fee for Polish citizenship?


r/prawokrwi 6d ago

Eligibility Lineage to grandparents for my wife

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I was talking to someone about how far back I needed to go and they said oldest adult that left Poland. Since my mother in law was a minor, I figured I could stop at her parents. I could repost with what I can find about great grandparents though, I'll just need to talk to her grandfather about it all, it's just tough because he doesn't know everything I'm asking since English is his second language.

Grandparent: 
* Sex: M
* Date, place of birth: May 30, 1949 Dabrowa Tarnowska, Poland
* Date married: July 10, 1971
* Citizenship of spouse: Polish
* Date divorced: NA
* Occupation: machine operator
* Allegiance and dates of military service: for Poland 1968-1970
Date, destination for emigration: August 6th, 1981
Date naturalized: May 1988
Date, place of death: NA

Grandparent: 
* Sex: F
* Date, place of birth: November 4, 1950 Tarnow, Poland
* Date married: July 10, 1971
* Citizenship of spouse: Polish
* Date divorced: NA
* Occupation: Daycare
* Allegiance and dates of military service: NA
Date, destination for emigration: 1983
Date naturalized: N/A
Date, place of death: 2024 Springfield, MA

Parent: 
* Sex: Female
* Date, place of birth: March 14th, 1972 Tarnow, Poland
* Date married: January 25, 1992
* Date divorced: 2015
You: 
*Date, place of birth: June 9th, 1996, Springfield, MA


r/prawokrwi 6d ago

Other Question about translation of documents.

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I'm currently in the process of trying to get my wife her Polish citizenship through her mother. I am getting together the necessary documents and going to bring them to the apostille. When it comes to the translation, the internet says I can scan them and send them digitally to a sworn translator and they can be acceptable. Is this true or do I need to send all the physical documents?


r/prawokrwi 6d ago

Other Completely hypothetical question: WW2 service in non-typical allied armies?

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I've been thinking about this lately. Would the Voivodeship even know what to do with this?

For example, Brazil joined WW2 on August 22, 1942. China was fighting against the Axis (they declared war on Germany in December of 1941), though I don't think they ever had action against the Germans. El Salvador and Haiti also declared war on the Germans in 1941 and assisted the US with ports and ocean patrols.

Would the Voivodeship have to accept these under the WW2 exception, or would they look at these and have no clue what to do with them?


r/prawokrwi 6d ago

Research question How long for Genealogical Research? I'm antsy.

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Hi all, apologies if this has been answered somewhere else. I'm currently in the document gathering process of Citizenship Confirmation (Pre 1920's case), and luckily I've already found an extensive amount of docs on the US side, as well as some rare family documents on the Polish side. Been going down an insane rabbit hole to find as much as I can by myself. I now have a genealogist in Poland (started last week) to fetch the official Polish documents for the case and I was told it will take around *3 months to even hear back*. The thing is - I gave the genealogist a whole list of exact documents, archive books and even pages that my family appears in. They also have the exact addresses of their homes in Poland, and a complete list of relatives etc. Can someone tell me how this process works? Do they have to travel from Krakow (their location) to my family's small town (Gibałka) and in-person visit the churches/parishes etc? Or do they request the book and the book is sent to them?... I feel like I gave them a *massive* head start and did plenty of the hard work for them, so I just can't imagine it will take 3 whole months to hear back (but also I have no idea what I'm talking about lmao). TBH I feel a bit impatient because I've done so much research on my own and now I'm at a standstill because I simply can't access the final documents from the US and have to rely on the genealogist at this point. I suppose I just have to be patient but going 3 months without anything I can do to support the process is hard.


r/prawokrwi 6d ago

Research question Is it really 3 weeks?

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Hi I had my type D visa appointment at the DC consulate 4 weeks ago. I was told I would hear from the consulate in 3 weeks. So now I’m discouraged because the deadline has passed and I haven’t heard anything. I don’t want to read too much into it but what should I expect? Im supposed to be there on September 15 as a university researcher so I’m worried about missing the semester. I’ve emailed them but they don’t email back, I suspect they deal with a high volume of emails from people just like me and it’s not realistic to respond to emails.


r/prawokrwi 7d ago

Eligibility Eligibility check (second line)

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Great-Grandparents:

  • Date married: 25 August 1930
  • Date divorced: N/A
  • Both GG were widow/er so second marriage for each.

GGM:

  • Date, place of birth: 21 October 1902, South Amboy, NJ US
  • Ethnicity and religion: Polish- Catholic
  • Occupation: homemaker
  • Allegiance and dates of military service: N/A
  • Date, destination for emigration:N/A
  • Date naturalized:N/A

GGF:

  • Date, place of birth: 28 May 1894 Czermin, Poland
  • Ethnicity and religion: Polish - Catholic
  • Occupation: Barber
  • Allegiance and dates of military service: None found
  • Date, destination for emigration: April 5, 1911
  • Date naturalized: 21 April 1921
  • His petition for naturalization was filed in 1916 but oath signed in 1921.

Grandparent:

  • Sex: Female
  • Date, place of birth: 31 March 1932 Chicago, IL US
  • Date married: 23 August 1954
  • Citizenship of spouse: United States (also technically Polish by descent)
  • Date divorced: N/A
  • Occupation: Secretary/typist at magazine
  • Allegiance and dates of military service: N/A

Parent:

  • Sex: Female
  • Date, place of birth: 30 December 1964 Chicago, IL US
  • Date married: 28 June 1986
  • Date divorced: N/A

You:

  • Date, place of birth: 2000

Edit: GM was typist for magazine listed as private sector on 1950 census.


r/prawokrwi 8d ago

Success story The wait is over!!!

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After nearly 2 years, my citizenship has just been confirmed!
I am in shock. Their ‘deadline’ for my case was August 30, so I didn’t expect to hear anything until September.
This is great news for all of us here who have been waiting, every case completed helps us all.
Thanks so so much to the mods and everyone else here for their insights and perspectives, it really helped in making this wait make sense.
Hopefully this means that the few other folks here with 2024 apps will be completed shortly!
Time for a piwko!

EDIT: if you’re interested in my journey, my previous post:

https://www.reddit.com/r/prawokrwi/s/9UGwxuhi1d