r/redditmoment • u/Anon_be_thy_name • 8d ago

le reddit island Humans have done cruel stuff to animals? Guess nature shall rejoice when we all die out!

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u/[deleted] 8d ago

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u/IllestAardvark 8d ago

Cats torture and play with animals they catch as food. Not deliberate, human-like torture but you get what I mean. Since being introduced to Australia, they've caused the extinction of at least 20 species and are still threatening others.

So technically, cats have been committing genocide and mass torture, and it's pure instinct for them. Imagine what they'd do with thumbs and a higher degree of intelligence.

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u/Late-Cheetah-3000 8d ago

too long, did read

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u/heyitsfranklin6322 8d ago

But the reason that cats are so widespread and numerous is because of humans

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u/AnyResearcher5914 8d ago

If there are no more humans then are no rational beings to give a value statement of "good." The world has absolutely no value without humans. Zero.

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u/Negative_Elo 8d ago

This is what people dont understand. Nature does not value itself. We are the only thing that wants nature to exist. If all life stopped, who cares? Literally nobody but the dead humans would.

Humans are cruel because we understand our actions. We are also good because we understand out actions. Without humans, theres no good or bad.

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u/hawkeyes007 8d ago

Touch grass

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u/Alarming-Mud8220 8d ago

Learn nuance, simpleton.

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u/hawkeyes007 8d ago

There’s absolutely no nuance in a statement like that

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u/Alarming-Mud8220 8d ago

Yes there is, it’s a both sides are correct argument.

Humans are inherently destructive and come at a great cost to the earth - we even indulge in destructive activities that don’t even benefit us or aid our survival. The ‘health’ of the natural world would be objectively better without our presence. - Animals are ‘destructive’ but only ever for food or shelter, barring a few exceptions in which they seem to hunt for the sport of it sometimes, or have population issues due to external factors.

Although wanting the extinction of all humans is a shit take and warrants pushback.

Telling someone to ‘touch grass’ for highlighting one side and not the other and not offering a meaningful retort shows a lack of understanding of the points being made or the actual complexity/nuances of the discussion and opposing viewpoints.

You from the states?

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u/slowtownhometown 8d ago

I mean, truthfully, we saw how much nature benefited from humans being kept inside during the covid lockdowns. if humans suddenly went extinct one day, nature would certainly spare no time in retaking everything.

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u/gnirpss 8d ago

Humans are part of nature. We've been a part of the global ecosystem for 300,000 years. I agree that, given our giant brains and outsized environmental impact, we could be doing a LOT more to be good stewards of the earth. However, to say that the planet would return to some imaginary perfect equilibrium after our extinction is just a middle school level of understanding of ecology.

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u/ogetarts 8d ago

93% of the total weight of land fauna is us (33%) + the selected animals we raise for food, company an whatnot. That's not "being part of the ecosystem".

No one's talking about a perfect equilibrium, simply more room and less pressure on the other species, which we are, willingly or not, eradicating at a very unnatural pace.

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u/gnirpss 8d ago

Do you actually think that human extinction is the solution to the problems you point out? Because that's what I'm pushing back against.

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u/ogetarts 8d ago

Who called it a solution?

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u/holyukulele 3d ago

and who cares about whether species are eradicated if not humans?

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u/slowtownhometown 8d ago

please point out where I said that?

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u/gnirpss 8d ago

It's the subject of the thread.

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u/ogetarts 8d ago

We are a mass extinction event all by ourselves, so...

If that's what's bothering you I don't think they're saying that literally the deer and rabbits would form a circle and sing like in Disney movie.

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u/beans-crow 3d ago

Misanthropy is the way . It was over when we discovered agriculture

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u/SirArthurDime 4d ago

Are you denying that humans have had a large net negative effect on a lot of nature and wild life?

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u/Anon_be_thy_name 3d ago

Are you just putting words in my mouth?

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u/iluvb33rz 4d ago

Other animals aren’t cruel just for the sake of being cruel

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u/Anon_be_thy_name 3d ago

There are animals that kill for fun and don't eat the animal they've killed, cats notably do this.

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u/Apprehensive-Math911 2d ago

That's just....facts? It's a popular opinion without reddit.