r/whenthe 18h ago

Kicking the dead dove at this point

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u/SimicBiomancer21 15h ago

They act like the problem is the lack of censorship.

I'm willing to bet money its because the tags hold them accountable.

You could read "I got sold to One Direction" fics on Wattpad.

On Ao3? Those stories are rightfully tagged with Human Trafficking and Underage Sex.

They don't want to admit that what they watch is problematic. But the tags call them out for it.

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u/Intelligent-Ad4430 6h ago

Not at all true lol

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u/EnzoRaffa16 Autistic *and* brazilian? It's more likely than you think. 18h ago

Is there really no smut on Wattpad anymore? I'm too lazy to dig up whatever password my old account had.

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u/WeepForTheDeparted 18h ago

Basically the smut has to be part of the narrative and not just porn lol: Strictly prohibit pure erotica, pornography, and content written solely for sexual arousal.

Which caused a migration of Wattpad smut fans to move however they did not expect to see TRUE ANTI-CENSORSHIP fanfic content of darker NSFW tags.

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u/RKTZXXVI-XI 8h ago

fake smut enjoyer when true Dead Dove fan walk in

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u/w0ndrbredd 18h ago

Got banned basically, content written for pure arousal is not allowed anymore.

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u/SSR_Gacha0 Where's the news? 17h ago

Basically updated their TOS so they can ban any smut or nsfw content but the wording is so vague that they can excuse themselves to ban anything that "glorifies nsfw"

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u/Tomita121 12h ago

Rip my Male Reader x -setting- guilty pleasure.

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u/Firethorn34 15h ago

"I keep opening bags filled with dead doves" IT'S CLEARLY LABELED

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u/Fyru_Hawk the dark lord 16h ago

So from what I understand, what people have figured out is that Wattpad users are the ones searching for weird crap, but don’t like acknowledging what they’re reading. On Wattpad they’d read something like “sold to one direction”, but on ao3 that would have tags like “human trafficking”, “non-consent”, and “Stockholm syndrome”. It’s properly tagged, and Wattpad users migrating to ao3 are mad that they have to come to terms with the fact that they’ve been romanticizing messed up stuff the most.

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u/YeahSherman 15h ago

Big, big handful of them weren't actually interested in the smut or anything, they were just trying to stay on the right side of the debate. 

Unfortunately for the kids leaving Wattpad, a lot of kids do find porn pretty gross, and AO3 has some real freak shit (non-derogatory). AO3 doesn't hold your hand to show you how to block tags you hate but it DOES make you click "yeah I'm 18 show me freak shit" before you read an adult-rated fic so the complaining is more an admittance to being a fuckup than anything on the authors, if it's any condolence

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u/Strict-Form-361 12h ago

There's also the fact that sometimes authors just don't bother properly tagging their work or create some bs tag that just slips past off your blacklist, so even if you blacklist a lot of tag, the chance of still seeing smut of varying degree is still high.

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u/Randomguy0915 18h ago

My only complaint about AO3 is the really unintuitive Filter and sorting system.

the pain of wanting to read a Crossover fanfic and you get bombarded by pages upon pages of Smut-fics with crossover tags a mile long.

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u/orcanotorka i quite like ishowspeed gifs 17h ago

There's a separate menu for blocking out the tags you don't want to see but idk if you can mass block tags

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u/Randomguy0915 17h ago

you can, but you have to manually add like, 6 lines of tags of differing levels of smut and absurdity. And that's not counting personalized tags

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u/Kixisbestclone I like the pink yuri honse. 16h ago

And then also people just not tagging their fics properly, so even if you do filter out tags, there’s still a few left.

And also the inverse where there’s way too many fucking overly specific tags, so I can filter out like thirty different types of smut and still have some obscure sex tag left.

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u/Randomguy0915 15h ago

And even if you did all that.

you're still getting absurd Multi-fics like Chat-fics or etc

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u/Frost5574 14h ago

Real. Read one a while back that didnt tag guro and it hit me like a train.

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u/AmaterasuWolf21 look! someone thinks they know better about my own country 9h ago

A menu?? I had to pull out an extension for it

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u/JubileeJaxLee 15h ago

There's literally a whole rating system and you can exclude tags like smut/sex 💔

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u/Randomguy0915 14h ago

Sorts out Smut/sex

Smut Fic tags:"Rape" "Consensual Intercourse" "Dead Dove do not read" "(insert hyperspecific tag*

Rating : None

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u/JubileeJaxLee 10h ago edited 8h ago

Do not read unrated fics, stick to Gen and Teen if you want sfw fics. I don't find that unintuitive.

Edit: to the people downvoting, would you take a kid to see an unrated movie and then complain there are things inappropriate for children in them? You treat every unrated movie like an R or NC-17, you treat every gun like it's loaded, and you treat every unrated fic as a M or E.

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u/AmaterasuWolf21 look! someone thinks they know better about my own country 9h ago

E isn't for sex, it applies for violence as well

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u/JubileeJaxLee 9h ago edited 8h ago

No it doesn't, not unilaterally like it does for sexual content. There are plenty of Gen/Teen fics with the Graphic Depictions of Violence warning. I literally checked and there are *74,512 for general audiences alone. This is a complaint that very much seems to be less "the platform is actually hard to use in general" and more "I'm not used to this system so it seems hard to me."

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u/Madden09IsForSuckers 7h ago

i feel like ao3 has one of the best filtering systems around tbh

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u/PrinzEugen_noice 6h ago

THIS, THIS RIGHT HERE is why is also use Fanfic.net. It has a better system, at least to me

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u/Randomguy0915 6h ago

FF.net has a better sorting system, unfortunately the Site as a whole is basically rotting at this point with zero updates to fix the many other bugs and issues it has.

One major issue is the fact that the App just outright refuses to update some stories

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u/PrinzEugen_noice 6h ago

I still use it to find halo and fallout crossovers, there are a lot more on there than ao3

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u/Red580 13h ago

Are you sure you don't want to learn niche term like "Dead dove do not eat" instead of having people tag it "disturbing content" or "read at own risk"

That's totally not unintuitive and kinda insane.

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u/Marksthename 12h ago

you can look up the terms i don't think that's as big of an issue

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u/RodjaJP 5h ago

Doesn't it have a rating:explicit/questionable/safe system? That's so lame

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u/LoganCube400 The Dillinger Escape Plan is peak 18h ago

It's him!

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u/WeirdAssBeings 🍆literally a femboy🏳️‍🌈 15h ago

Get him!!

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u/SF_Data1 whenthe news ticker 12h ago

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u/DadWhyDidYouHitMe 14h ago

The main, real issue on AO3 is the lack proper perma-blocking tags I don't like. Look, on rule34, I can go into my accounting settings and blacklist tags for porn I don't like without issue. I can then search up stuff to my liking without wasting time using -(TAG) feature.

AO3 does not have that. I always have to manually add the tags I don't want into to the exclude bar. It's annoying. Is it hard to add such an option? Any reason it doesn't exist?

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u/rogueIndy 8h ago

idk AO3 too well but do the excluded tags go into a URL query (the bit of the URL after the question mark) you can copy somewhere?

I'm, uh, told that's useful for porn sites.

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u/Something_Comforting 14h ago

More like "Eating" the dead dove

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u/Appropriate-Name1234 11h ago

It's like a millionare leaving their private mansion to complain about Epstein's island

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u/thatfuckedupgrill 8h ago

why is friend inside me blue? is he ballerina?

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u/Loserpoer 17h ago

I mean everyone has a different level of censorship they’re ok with, I wouldn’t mind if Reddit banned anything about loli or Shota

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u/Objective-Ad7330 17h ago edited 17h ago

Banning that would also lead to people wishing for the ban of subreddits that feature death, gore and drugs because its also problematic content.

Don't like Loli Shota shit myself but I fucking know its just gonna slope down into a massive argument that leads to a youtube video with the tile "[insert name] controvery on reddit is insane/weird" shit.

Edit: I meant problematic content posted on other subs like PublicFreakout or shit.

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u/draketroll 15h ago

Also the problem of who gets to decide what is problematic in the first place, and to what degree

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u/randomname560 OoOo BLUE 17h ago

Arent gore, drugs and death subs already banned though

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u/Loserpoer 17h ago

Not drug subreddits but gore and death subreddits do get banned if it’s the focus of the subreddit

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u/Objective-Ad7330 17h ago

Sorry, I meant like content of gore, drugs and such being posted on other subs. My bad.

Its like 3 AM here on my end.

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u/Loserpoer 17h ago

Gore and death subreddits do get banned though, [r/watchpeopledie](r/watchpeopledie) end r/eyeblech got banned

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u/SkylandersKirby purpl 16h ago

They mean fictional gore?

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u/Objective-Ad7330 17h ago

Meant problematic content that is posted on other subs. My bad.

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u/DreadDiana 9h ago

Should also be noted that there can be some truly weird shit on AO3, like erotica of the victims of the Columbine shooting.

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u/Boomer_Nurgle 9h ago

I thought that's already banned tbh

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u/Kind-Stomach6275 Make your flair #aae5a3 green 11h ago

Man at least Im not accidentally click on child porn cause the thumbnails too small to see anything and there are no warnings. Fuck you rule34 

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u/Alcor6400 13h ago

That's not the song for this video

Where's the song for this video?

Where the FUCK is TUNG TUNG TUNG SAHUR

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u/pindobeen 15h ago

Tri4th!!!

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u/JealousApricot1152 4h ago

Would you say to…not eat it? That dead dove?

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u/Princelyprincessboy 14h ago

Reminder that AO3 lets you publish smut of real life children and sometimes some level of moderation is needed 

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u/edvin796 9h ago

AFAIK those kinds of fics are already against site rules

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u/Princelyprincessboy 9h ago

Nope. There's been plenty that have been up without being removed. 

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u/SolsLuminous 8h ago

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u/fuckthisstupidupdate 7h ago

Here

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u/SolsLuminous 7h ago

ty, thats is so fucked that any sort of real people are allowed on there

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u/Princelyprincessboy 8h ago

I am not fucking seeking out csem for you, weirdo. 

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u/SolsLuminous 7h ago

dude im just asking for at least an article or blog post that can confirm, forgive me for not wanting to accuse a site of something that horrid because of one reddit comment

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u/Princelyprincessboy 7h ago

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u/SolsLuminous 7h ago

Thank you, next time lead with that instead of calling me a weirdo outright

(also very weird line to draw by that admin "oh yea you can have real people in horrific situations but if you ask for a donation you're literally hitler")

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u/Princelyprincessboy 7h ago

I apologize for that, a lot of people ARE very weird about this crap so I kind of went on the defense. 

(Oh for sure. they've also banned over comments about Palestine.)

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u/SLimon001 Sub-World Cup Champion Fan 11h ago

OF COURSE WOODY WITH FREEDOM

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u/Alarming_Purpose_729 7h ago

I only see a03 users complaining

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u/Alarming_Purpose_729 2h ago

Also chronically online post

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u/EllzillaTheLizard Swain's day one 15h ago

idk what they expect when they go from the Hell land of Overcensorship to the Hell Land of Zero Moderation

though I will say Ao3 def has a problem with the report button existing when moderation doesn't exist + allowing smut written about REAL children on the site. The fact users got really racist when a Chinese mod suggested they moderate that was fucking insane.

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u/evilforska 10h ago

You are welcome to stick to Fanfiction.net. Or are you one of those people who cant help but bitch about things they look up themselves? You do know report button is for reporting non-transformative works, right? You do know what an ARCHIVE does?

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u/EllzillaTheLizard Swain's day one 10h ago edited 9h ago

how is "I think people sharing sexual fantasies about real child actors [not characters played by them] is a nasty thing to allow and I don't like how racist users get" controversial, hello? I USE ao3 and block shit accordingly you moron, doesn't mean it's a perfect place.

Also I know, that report button FOR non-transformative works doesn't do shit. Nor for fics that target specifically -you-. I pray to GOD you never have to deal with someone making a psycosexual fic about you because you refused to date them like I have lol

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u/evilforska 9h ago

The internet was a better place when there was little to no censorship. Getting spooked by bad stuff occasionally was better than having Visa dictate whatever gets to stay. Thats my position, i hope Ao3 never changes it.

Btw i did have porn made of me. I rolled my eyes at it and that was all

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u/EllzillaTheLizard Swain's day one 9h ago

I'm not disagreeing with that, I'm disgusted but fine with people making shit about fictional kids as long as they tag their shit properly [which I see people NOT do an annoying amount]. Censorship suck dick and every time I see "no booby allowed. This is so unwholesome Not Child Friendly" I rip my jaw off. Tumblr was a testing ground and I still get "ohh this is too bad for tumblr :{" nonsense.

But I will say there's a line between that bullshit and events like a grown man in his 30's being allowed to post his sexual fantasy of a real child with moderators that refuse to do anything when the parent of the child wants it taken down.

Also lucky you, if only every victim of harassment cared as little as you /s

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u/FruitigerMilo 8h ago

why are you okay with sexual harassment of others, though?

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u/Accomplished-Leave91 Peak Contrarian​ 18h ago

lmfao Istg of they get my favorite murder porn fics banned....

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u/fuckthisstupidupdate 17h ago

Beo actually thinks ao3 moderators do anything lmao

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u/WeepForTheDeparted 16h ago

The report button is basically merely a recommendation box for the AO3 admins lmao

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u/fuckthisstupidupdate 16h ago

Ao3 admins when you aks them to remove the fic about children getting raped which has no artistic value beyond people who are into children gooning instead of doing nothing all day

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u/CUEUECOMBER 15h ago

being anti censorship includes the stuff you think is gross too.

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u/whypeoplehateme 14h ago

AO3 funnily has the same core rule as 4chan, don't post anything to get the site shut down. anything else goes

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u/edvin796 9h ago

Is being anti cersorhip means you have to be pro child porn? (Assuming person above is talking about actual children and not some other shit)

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u/whypeoplehateme 3h ago

content about actual real children is one of the few things completely banned of AO3, fictional kids though are fair game

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u/edvin796 3h ago

Is it? That was what I believed as well but a couple people in this posts comments have seemingly posted evidence of it not being taken down, though I could be wrong obviously

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u/evilforska 10h ago

Ao3 mods remove anything that isnt a fic or a transformative work. Thats what they do, dumbass.

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u/fuckthisstupidupdate 9h ago

There is nothing transformative about child porn dumbass

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u/evilforska 8h ago

pornfics of that blue hair bitch from ReZero isn't "child porn" dumbass

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u/fuckthisstupidupdate 8h ago

This is porn of a real dead child and their killer dumbass

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u/edvin796 5h ago

Gross wtf