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Russia/Ukraine CIA Chief Told Moscow Russia Is Getting Weaker—Putin Reportedly Canceled Their Meeting

https://united24media.com/world/cia-chief-told-moscow-russia-is-getting-weaker-putin-reportedly-canceled-their-meeting-22121
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u/TD_Lemon_1901 11h ago

The amount of nukes doesn't matter, it doesn't matter if you can blow the whole world only 1 time or 20.

Their conventional forces suck balls and they've lost 2/3 or their tanks and IFV they had beenn stockpiling for over 50 years.

Regardless of the outcome, they will never recover from this, they're done.

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u/Jacc3 5h ago

Regardless of the outcome, they will never recover from this, they're done.

Long term, sure. But short term Russia is still very scary. They may have used up most of their armour but their drones forces are arguably quite competent and have lots of real battle experience.

Sure, Russia wouldn't stand a chance against NATO, not even without the help of USA. But that is no guarantee that Russia wouldn't try attacking the Baltics for example. Putin may bet on the larger militaries of NATO either not wanting to risk a larger war, or being too slow to react.

Russia is a threat to be taken seriously, they shouldn't be underestimated

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u/BritishAnimator 11h ago

I disagree, unless every country stops buying oil, Russia will of course recover, nobody currently wants to invade their pre Crimea borders and claim new soil, so it's logical. Also, no point replacing outdated tanks, jets, AA launchers, and a navy when drone warfare has reshaped the entire battlefield. It's a lot cheaper, faster and safer to rebuild as a drone based millitary for both offence and defence. With Nuclear and ICBM's already part of their defence, they have time to rebuild and reshape, don't make the mistake thinking they are done when billions of dollars sits under their turf.

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u/mtutty 10h ago

Russia isn't capable of replacing the things you're talking about - from TU-95 bombers to oil refining equipment to BUK and S400 mobile defense systems to just troops and infantry equipment.

It's all either impossible to make at all, or it's 20 times more costly and time- consuming to produce than it is for Ukraine to destroy.

Europe isn't coming back for Russian oil/gas, ever. We (US) don't need it. That leaves India and China, with ever- decreasing Russian production capability. That's not a path to recovery.

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u/IZ3820 10h ago

What's the consumer population of India and China compared to Europe and North America? You're off your rocker if you think the math won't add up.

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u/BritishAnimator 10h ago

I said the exact opposite. They won't be rebuilding with that stuff. And you just dismissed China and India buying Russian Oil as not a path to recovery when it is exactly that.

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u/mtutty 5h ago

Russia is making drones, fair enough. But they are also the aggressor in this war, and drones cannot help Russia nearly as much as they're helping Ukraine.

China and India (and maybe Brazil) might continue to buy Russian oil, but it will always be at a steep discount from market, and they will stop as soon as the economic and geopolitical tides change. Like everything else Russia does, this is held together with string and duct tape.

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u/BritishAnimator 4h ago

I don't disagree with that. Putin keeps doubling down, taking no off ramps. But their drone's are equally as nasty as Ukraine's and if China supports Russian Drone manufacturing then things could shift dramatically. However, China supports China so they risk losing more EU\USA trade by supporting Russia. It's an interesting board, I just hope somebody forces Russia to back off. Then I also hope they can't recover enough to start again before Ukraine gets NATO membership of some sorts.

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u/mtutty 15m ago

What I'm trying to say is that drones can't hold territory. Russia can make as many drones as they want to, but they can't use them to actually conquer Ukraine. Meanwhile, Ukraine can keep hitting oil, defense, and commercial targets 1500km away, with $2500 equipment.

It's not a symmetrical asset, not a symmetrical conflict. And Russia's problems go way deeper than taking territory or flying more drones - they've *lost* troop net strength for the last several months running, they're out of so many other irreplaceable or extremely expensive assets, and some huge portion of their e-commerce infrastructure has now also been destroyed. Ordinary Russians are openly turning against this guy.

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u/T-sigma 10h ago

The second the war is over every sanction will be lifted and billions in investment will flood Russia. Money doesn’t care about morals.

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u/CustomerBusiness3919 10h ago

Russia have demonstrated they will seize companies assets on a whim. Few people want to invest in that high risk.

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u/scienceguy54 10h ago

Chinese companies will invest. Putin has stated many times the relationship with the West is over.

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u/T-sigma 9h ago

One day I hope for a society that realizes politician words are wholly irrelevant. They sent promises or truth. They are just words and can 100% change tomorrow and the politician will have no cognitive dissonance that they said the exact opposite the previous day.

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u/scienceguy54 8h ago

That has been my feeling for the past 50 years. Politicians will say anything to get your support and then do whatever their owners tell them what to do. The biggest threat to those pulling the strings is when the owners are the politicians. Putin is the closest to this that I have seen in a long time.

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u/T-sigma 8h ago

Agreed. The dictator leader allows for immense swings in decisions and direction. We see it with Putin. We see it with Trump. It's why dictators are horribly ineffective at creating strong societies in the modern world. Being able to pivot 180 degrees on issues, and doing it over and over, causes (allows) chaos and corruption to be in charge. This is typically by design.

Democracy, for all its flaws, forces politicians to have some degree of consistency, otherwise they lose their job and power. In a functional democracy anyways.

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u/T-sigma 9h ago

You severely underestimate businesses aptitude for risk. The flood gates will open and every executive will be presenting on how it’s their fiduciary duty to pursue high value business opportunities and how they’ve received “assurances” from the Russian government that the challenges of the past are behind them.

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u/hadaev 9h ago

Europe isn't coming back for Russian oil/gas, ever.

Joke of day.

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u/RezzleG 11h ago

Of course it matters. Nuclear weapons are the single most effective deterrent in the global space. The idea that they can wipe out an entire country within minutes is serious business. If they wasn't, then there would be no point any country even having them. If you think that Russia are above using a tactical nuclear strike on Ukraine out of desperation, then you don't know Russia.

The revised nuclear doctrine includes language asserting that Russia “reserves the right” to use nuclear weapons not only in response to a nuclear attack, but also to respond to a conventional weapons attack that creates a “critical threat” to its “sovereignty and territorial integrity” or to that of Russia’s ally, Belarus. The previous version of Russia’s nuclear weapons doctrine, issued in 2020, reserves the right to use nuclear weapons if an attack on Russia threatens “the very existence of the state.”

It says that Russia may use nuclear weapons in the event of “aggression against the Russian Federation and/or the Republic of Belarus…with the use of conventional weapons, creating a critical threat to their sovereignty and/or territorial integrity.” Another scenario involves a response to the “receipt of reliable information on the massive launch (take-off) of aerospace attack weapons (strategic and tactical aircraft, cruise missiles, unmanned, hypersonic and other aircraft) and their crossing of the state border of the Russian Federation.”

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u/riggatrigga 11h ago

In my opinion I think Trump is more likely to nuke Iran which would then follow by Russia nuking Ukraine.

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u/RezzleG 11h ago

I don't know about that one, the US have no reason to nuke Iran, Iran don't pose any threat to the US homeland

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u/TWVer 11h ago

Iran poses a threat to Trump’s ego. That’s why he is continuing hostilities to this day.

He can’t accept humiliation. Especially not when resultant from his own errors.

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u/riggatrigga 11h ago

Trump is far more unhinged I didn't see Putin start economic warfare with all its allies.