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Russia/Ukraine CIA Chief Told Moscow Russia Is Getting Weaker—Putin Reportedly Canceled Their Meeting
https://united24media.com/world/cia-chief-told-moscow-russia-is-getting-weaker-putin-reportedly-canceled-their-meeting-221211.9k
u/ArgentineBeauty 10h ago
Putin reportedly cancelled the meeting because the truth hurts.
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u/totallyRebb 9h ago
Small man syndrome + Grandpa yelling at clouds syndrome + Malignant Narcissism + Psychopathy
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u/Jazzlike_Creme_8851 9h ago edited 9h ago
Cancelled because he thinks he is still writing the plot and doesn't want any different narratives/distractions in the final weeks before Duma elections. Because, fucking Russia. 😞
Ukraine needs to kick it into overdrive and just embarrasses TF out of his regime. It may finally be time to make down the Kerch bridge and announce the full liberation of Crimea. Another Operation Spiderweb level of attack would also be effective. Turn those tables.
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u/LoquaciousTheBorg 8h ago
My (limited) understanding is that they're paartly leaving it up because it's too weak to be used to send in resources, so it's not a threat, but is still strong enough for people in Crimea to leave, which is what they want.
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u/LeafsWinBeforeIDie 8h ago
Giving your enemy an escape route instead of being cornered with no where to run hurts everyone less. (In this situation)
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u/TheArmoredKitten 7h ago
Yeah, sandboxing Crimea right now is exactly the move Putin needs to shore up internal support. "Protecting the Crimeans" was a big propaganda token for starting this mess and the last thing we need is for it to come true.
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u/fugaziozbourne 4h ago
Also, Ukraine kept drone bombing the military infrastructure in Crimea very easily, and cost them a fraction of what it cost Russia to repeatedly re-up that infrastructure. It was a drain of attrition and it wouldn't have worked if the bridge or ferry was destroyed initially. It was smart war tactics.
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u/Netzath 9h ago
if he didn't cancel he would appear as if he agreed which would make him look weak, his power undermined, and opposing faction would try to overthrow him. Making appearances of strength is important in keeping power.
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u/cboel 9h ago
Russia wants to put more pressure on Ukraine via their northern areas. They are attempting to build up troop numbers to do so. They think it will relieve pressure on the southern and eastern areas of occupied Ukraine.
Putin is clearly showing signs of dementia and nobody can call him out on it. One of the more publicly obvious examples was when he was talking to a guy who went to the North Pole and he went into a weird diatribe about killer whales killing polar bears, confusing polar bears with penguins (which also don't live at the North Pole, etc.).
It is looking like there might not be a way to stop him from getting worse. The CIA chief's visit was, in addition to everything else, a reminder that when Putin goes, his supporters/enabler are going to have be prepared to face justice in one form or the other.
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u/ProEraMoka 9h ago
They would if they could
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u/DamnIamHigh_Original 9h ago
They are destroying every single refinery, tf u talking about
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u/DeeJayDelicious 9h ago
Exactly,
too many western audiences are ignorning just how exhausted Ukraine is. The reason they're relying so heavily on drone warfare is because they have no other options. They need to fight efficiently as their personell and ressources are stretched to the limits.
Russia might be taking heavier losses and tanking its economy. But it's a much bigger and more ressourceful country.
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u/Pariahb 8h ago
Ukraine has Europe backing them economically, which is bigger and more resourceful than ruzzia, and they help them with weapons in a limited capacity, but are giving permission to let Ukraine develope some weaopns, like UK/France Storm Shadow/Scalp missiles:
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy8zxqn57z3o
While also co-developing a new Air Defense system to replace the US Patriot Air Defense systems:
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u/Thermodynamicist 9h ago
Ukraine needs to achieve an exchange rate equal to the inverse population ratio, i.e. 143 million Russians / 32 million Ukrainians = 4.5:1 to stand still.
The fact that Ukraine is taking aggressive steps to preserve the lives of her soldiers cannot reasonably be used to infer that she is exhausted, whether you mean that in political or absolute military terms, because she would do this anyway.
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u/othercomputerdoctor 9h ago
bigger in size, not support
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u/ffswhythiswhynow 8h ago
Don't worry, India has them by the hand, buying their crude and selling them back refined fuels. Think of the poor lil empty gas stations! /s
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u/Zal3x 7h ago
Thats only partly true. They’re relying on drone warfare because it’s the future of warfare. And they’re damn good at it and production is going extremely well. Go watch Perun on YouTube if you want to educate yourself about the topic.
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u/wrathful-anus 10h ago
Not like anyone in Russia has the balls to tell him how many people die a week
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u/Apart_Jelly8948 10h ago
Now he will probably do something stupid to pretend that the cia guy was wrong
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u/qwogadiletweeth 9h ago
This would explain why Putin has doubled down in many areas since the visit. It’s a big stubborn denial of what is happening and he doesn’t want to show weakness to the US. Russia keeps banging on about perceived historical victories as if it should help them in today’s modern world. They live in the past.
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u/BigBananaBerries 6h ago edited 4h ago
Watching their media this is 100%. They're never done talking about the Great Patriotic War (WWII) or things that happened even longer ago. They go on like military achievements when it was cavalry & spears are still relevant. As if their Soviet manufacturing capabilities are still fully operational. Their heads are in the clouds. I suppose this is what happens when everything they put out is skewed for propaganda purposes.
E:typo
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u/Grand_Pop_7221 4h ago
Sooner or later, the snake eats its own tail with propaganda, I think. You end up with true believers who might "embody" the lie better than its originators. Given its foundations as a lie, it just can't produce results.
Truth is usually messy, complicated, and not always a good look. But at least having an honest reckoning and introspection can keep refining a system and producing results.
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u/BigBananaBerries 4h ago
Yep. There inevitably comes a time where the BS needs to be backed up with reality. If it's all based on lies then you're going to have a bad time.
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u/qwogadiletweeth 2h ago
Absolutely. As well as Russias romanisation of the past and its capabilities, it’s engrained in their culture only to deliver good news to those above them in the chain of command; even if it means lying. The movie ‘Death of Stalin’, illustrates well how their culture still works to a certain degree.
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u/Lonely-Abalone-5104 9h ago
Sounds like something someone else we know would do
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u/FlyingKittyCate 8h ago
You could replace Russia with US or Putin with Trump in most of the comments here and it would still be accurate. Funny to see the ignorance mixed with arrogance.
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u/thatoneguydudejim 5h ago
It’s because we are under the delusion it’ll be a quick recovery back to “normalcy”
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u/RelegatedRick 10h ago
I feel like thats just undeniable fact at this point, people were afraid of Russia 15 years ago.
Now we know they can’t even handle a non-nuclear much smaller neighbour literally next door, regardless of if they win or not, they look like a paper tiger incapable of large scale warfare and their economy is on the brink of utter collapse to top it all off.
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u/Tiddlewinkly 9h ago
People should still be afraid of Russia, but not for their combat ability.
It's the information warfare they've been aggressively encouraging since the cold war to this day. It's no secret that their mass disinformation campaigns have been significantly influencing western nations in their attempt to destabilize them. One can say they've been largely successful at it.
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u/gambiting 6h ago
As someone from Poland, it's terrifying. People don't realize we're already at war with Russia - that war is just waged every day on our democracy by thousands of online trolls that attack and spread misinformation online, but which also fund groups inside Poland to incite hatred in real life(mostly against Ukrainians, but it's not limited to them - the more discord the better). This isn't just "oh they write some angry comments on Facebook" - it's a concentrated campaign hitting from thousand angles and while no missiles might be flying above Polish soil it absolutely is an attack on our country.
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u/fugaziozbourne 3h ago
Kremlin literally says that the information front is more important to their plans than air, sea, or land. They're not hiding this.
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u/tang-tw 3h ago
Taiwan has long been accustomed to this kind of online propaganda offensive. They collect local vocabulary and terms to create databases, impersonate locals to spread rumors and interfere in elections, and launch large-scale cyberattacks. This year, AI proxy attacks have also emerged. Taiwan has also become accustomed to their indirect infiltration and bribery of military personnel and corporate employees to steal secrets. China and Russia are both exchanging and learning from each other's achievements.
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u/Chance-the-Gardener 7h ago
The world at large is like that now. The age of information has become a world of deceit.
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u/cattaclysmic 7h ago
Russias neighbors will always be afraid og Russia. Untrained gopniks with a gun will still kill you even if they aren’t efficient about it. And Russia will just throw bodies at you and has a nuclear deterrent.
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u/paulywauly99 9h ago
We just need our hackers to hack their hackers and out hack them I guess?
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u/genital_lesions 8h ago
It's not even traditional cyber hacking so much as it is just Russia's ability to influence Western public opinion with disinformation and misinformation.
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u/asspounder-4000 9h ago
Bring in hacker man, won't even need to hack time, all he needs is a floppy disk, a zip drive and a payphone. The kremlin will fall in a day
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u/FlukemanFrancis 8h ago
Impossible, Russians can’t be affected by disinformation for the same reason fish can’t drown
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u/Expensive-Raisin4088 7h ago
Got donnie elected twice. Which severely destabilized NATO and weakened the US
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u/WeedstocksAlt 9h ago
And they effectively already lost, there’s no coming back with an actual win from it.
It’s legit like … one of the biggest military failure in history lol.
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u/Superb-Draft 9h ago
America spent 20 years in Afghanistan just to hand it back to the Taliban. There’s plenty of shame to go around.
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u/TrainingAmphibian354 9h ago edited 9h ago
Afghanistan didn't make life genuinely hard for US citizens, and 500k+ Americans didn't get turned into fucking tomato paste even after 20 years straight of fighting.
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u/Arcayon 9h ago
Yea and how many Americans died over that 20 year period compared to Ukraine. They are not even comparable military blunders lol.
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u/TTrampz 9h ago
Afghanistan was not a military blunder or defeat, it was a political one.
Ukraine looks like it’s both , military and political
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u/kinkakujen 9h ago
America dominated afghanistan and beat it and occupied it within weeks. WEEKS. That's the part Russia is failing at in Ukraine.
The political nation building disaster after beating them militarily is a whole different topic, but certainly not a military defeat.
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u/vincentkun 8h ago
I don't think it quite tracks. Afghanistan was conventionally defeated and its very, very far from the USA. What we were doing there was trying to nation build and extract more out of them. Russia has been unable to defrat Ukraine conventionally, an enemy that is just next door.
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u/Straight-Ad-7387 9h ago
Except %gdp wise and troop deaths over that entire 20 years don't compare to russias losses.
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u/soldiernerd 9h ago edited 9h ago
US met their military goals in Afghanistan, they just couldn’t get people to buy into the dream of a pro western democracy.
Also Russia has, since Feb 2022, experienced about 50% of the KIAs the US has had in its entire 250 year existence.
I’ll also remind everyone that Ukraine is Russia’s neighbor with a largely shared culture and language, not a radically different country halfway around the globe.
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u/SketchTeno 8h ago
Remember how many russians died in ww2 compared to the rest of the western world? Excluding china, more russians died than just about the entire rest of the world combined in the war.
And they STILL had the ussr for decades afterwards.
...there is a very different perspective on life there.
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u/Ossa1 8h ago
You have to add that around a third of the russian soldiers died by starvation in german POW camps.
Russia lost around 7 million in combat, around 3 were starved/killed in german Camps.
Around 16 million soviet civilians were killed by hunger, forced laber or outright shot.
These numbers dwarf quite a lot of conflicts.
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u/SketchTeno 7h ago
Yeah, when you have 16 million non-combat civilians die in a conflict, and still come out as a world power for decades afterwards... you're just doing something very different than what the western world is used to at that point.
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u/xakeri 7h ago
A big part of it is just having that many people.
Most western countries simply don't have a population that could handle that. In 1939, the US had 130 million people. The Soviet Union had 170 million. France had 42 million and the UK had 47.8 million.
A comparable amount there would have been 4-5 million, which would still have been insane, but is way smaller in raw numbers.
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u/Justame13 9h ago
There was a wide stretch of that time that it was more dangerous for troops to go to the National Training Center in CA than Afghanistan
There is not a comparable case in Europe
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u/BurntWaffle303 9h ago
Yall remember Vietnam right?
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u/mlhender 9h ago
For Russia, Ukraine is arguably already considerably worse in raw military losses. CSIS estimated in July 2026 that Russia had suffered roughly 1.4 million battlefield casualties, including as many as 450,000 deaths, since February 2022. CSIS describes those fatalities as more than four times U.S. fatalities in all American wars combined since WWII.
https://www.csis.org/analysis/russian-blood-and-treasure-ballooning-costs-putins-war
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u/morningreis 8h ago
Russia is losing personnel in Ukraine every 2-3 days equivalent to what the US lost in the entire 20 years.
The scale is completely different.
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u/WeedstocksAlt 9h ago
And knowing that, it’s not even a bit close lol
Russia’s casualties are above 1,4 million ……. 10s of thousand of armour, tanks, artillery system lost.
The are buying from North Korea….
And all that to invade their direct neighbour, not projecting forces across the globe.
It’s not even close to being comparable
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u/Jared_Kincaid_001 9h ago
Sure but this equivalent is if the US lost to Manitoba (with the entire population of Canada in it). Just a tiny country with no real nuclear capability.
Granted the Canadian military has been known to put belt to ass, but they're also known mostly as peace keepers/pacifists.
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u/MazzleMaze 6h ago
My guy, Ukraine has the 6th largest active military in the world. They have around 700,000 - 900,000 soldiers. Russia has about 1.2 - 1.3 million.
Much smaller is definitely an overstatement.
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u/user_account_deleted 1h ago
Except Ukraine has a quarter the population and a tenth the GDP. Ukraine is a demonstrably MUCH smaller neighbor. They cannot sustain their level of military enrollment for nearly as long as Russia can sustain theirs, and they're fighting with a fraction of the military budget should aid slow or stop.
One number does not a correct comparison make.
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u/SuperSquirrel13 10h ago
What happened after the fall of the soviet union - lots of arms sold.
When this collapse happens, I fear the same, but with nukes. Imagine the terror events and warlords in africa that can be done using sold russian nukes.
Im sure there will be "control", but still. The concern is what keeps me nervous.
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u/doc5avag3 9h ago edited 9h ago
There was a reason that both the US and China worked together very quickly and civilly when the Soviet Union collapsed. Nobody wants to see what happens if you don't monitor and maybe even step in when a Nuclear Power faces the possibility of balkanization.
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u/hyldemarv 9h ago
Nope. It would be fun watching Mad Max tribes roam around the steppes brandishing nuclear warheads but the maintenance needs will make them become duds rather quickly.
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u/40StoryMech 9h ago
The US needs to get ahead of this and flood the market with nukes. Imagine the money Tru ... I mean, WE could make.
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u/123_alex 8h ago
warlords in africa that can be done using sold russian nukes
I'll give you a nuke for free. Can you maintain it and use it?
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u/jl2352 9h ago
They won’t sell nukes because the controls and infrastructure needed is too great. It’s physically too impractical to sell.
Then there is the attention. The US military doesn’t care if a shipping container of small arms is sold to a warlord. That’s a problem for Interpol, the FBI, or whoever. Whereas the US military would carry out a small invasion if it thought there were nukes being sold.
What did happen after the Soviet Union is lots of Soviet nuclear scientists and other specialists went to work for other regimes. That helped the proliferation of missile and nuclear technology. That is the main fear.
The US did some work to help fund Russian fields in this area. It’s one reason (of many) on why the US would support the Russian space program. It keeps the Russian expertise in Russia.
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u/RezzleG 10h ago
Russia are having a bad time in conventional warfare vs Ukraine, that much is true, but it's unwise to under-estimate Russia, even now they have an unknown amount of nuclear weapons capable of being fired through various means, and the largest ICBM stockpiles in the world stored all around the country. They have adjusted to a wartime economy reasonably well (considering all the sanctions) and their production power is second only to China. That's not even taking into account their ability to meddle in foreign affairs and their cyber-warfare capabilities.
All that being said, that they are still a very dangerous country, and what makes it worse is that they are unpredictable. The closer Russia gets to essentially being made to surrender, the more desperate they become, and the more dangerous they become.
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u/Consistent_Ad3181 10h ago edited 9h ago
Russia has a GDP slightly larger than Spain.
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Nothing wrong with Spain, it's a fine proud country but it's not considered a military and econonic super power.
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u/KatsumotoKurier 4h ago edited 45m ago
Russia has a GDP slightly larger than Spain.
With an economy roughly the size of Canada's yet with over 100 million more people, with an overall life expectation that's like 12 years less, a much lower overall quality of life, horrible corruption issues, and what some experts are calling an HIV epidemic.
Meanwhile it is enormously resource rich yet still insists on invading its neighbours for needless expansion wars. Like really - imagine being 150x the size of Norway and with a population 70x the size, and with all the same resources in enormous plentitudes, yet... not being a better country? Russia seems like a land of massively wasted opportunities and potential. It could genuinely be a serious and respectable world leader in so many admirable regards.
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u/TD_Lemon_1901 10h ago
The amount of nukes doesn't matter, it doesn't matter if you can blow the whole world only 1 time or 20.
Their conventional forces suck balls and they've lost 2/3 or their tanks and IFV they had beenn stockpiling for over 50 years.
Regardless of the outcome, they will never recover from this, they're done.
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u/Jacc3 4h ago
Regardless of the outcome, they will never recover from this, they're done.
Long term, sure. But short term Russia is still very scary. They may have used up most of their armour but their drones forces are arguably quite competent and have lots of real battle experience.
Sure, Russia wouldn't stand a chance against NATO, not even without the help of USA. But that is no guarantee that Russia wouldn't try attacking the Baltics for example. Putin may bet on the larger militaries of NATO either not wanting to risk a larger war, or being too slow to react.
Russia is a threat to be taken seriously, they shouldn't be underestimated
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u/micropterus_dolomieu 9h ago
MAD obviates the ability of one state to blackmail other nuclear states though. Putin isn’t some Bond villain in a hidden underground lair. We know how to destroy Russia with conventional or nuclear weapons.
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u/Shamino79 9h ago
Oligarchs like staying alive. What fool is gonna start a nuclear war.
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u/JakeTheAndroid 9h ago
Their manufacturing isn't as advanced nor as effective as China. Their wartime economy is still producing plenty of supply failures. And their actual equipment isn't that great. Outside of deciding to destroy the world with nukes, they're not nearly as scary as people assumed 10+ years ago.
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u/qwogadiletweeth 9h ago edited 9h ago
Nukes mean nothing. It’s potentially the end of the world if they use them. They have the choice of continuing to try to win the war, loose the war, or end the world at worst. If Putin wins then he is safe, if they lose then Putin will be toppled internally. China has warned them not to use Nukes. They need China on their side.
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u/CorrectOrder 9h ago
I doubt they have maintained the nuclear arsenal any better than the rest of the country. Even the dead hand is probably just chatter as a deterrent.
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u/Asleep_Context_399 9h ago
This is a dishonest take.
Ukraine had intelligence help from before invasion and mostly has full on help minus NATO troops on the ground.
Were it just Ukraine, it probably would have fallen already even with the botched Kyiv infiltration.
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u/BritishAnimator 9h ago
“His message sounded as if Zelenskyy was already standing on Poklonnaya Hill looking at the Kremlin through binoculars. Everyone understands that this is not the case,”
Yes, everyone understands this is not the case, so why use it as an example?
Ukraine is defending themselves against YOUR aggression. No wonder negotiation's constantly break down. They are incapable of seeing reason.
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u/TimSylvester_ 5h ago
They're so devoted to lying at every turn that they insist on even lying to themselves.
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u/PalmovyyKozak 10h ago
Imagine, you are a dictator anf can only find out what's going on in your own country from a spy from your enemy state.
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u/EightyJay 9h ago
Enemy state?
Does an enemy state send a secret CIA delegation to its doorstep (only to be disclosed after it was “found out”?
Does an enemy state allow it to go unchecked as it kills tens of thousands of innocent civilians in a friendly democracy?
There’s absolutely nothing “enemy” about the Trump administration for Vladimir Putin.
And you think Putin finds out anything from American media? Ha. He’s got the media leverage via bots. He’s the secret operative turned dictator.
Trump cowers to social media. He doesn’t call any shots. He’s the dog that’s wagged by the tail.
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u/crossdtherubicon 7h ago
They maintain diplomatic relations but, otherwise are directly and indirectly mutually hostile.
Despite the Trump admin and Republicans having favorable views of Putin, and proven political and financial ties, the US at large is still subjected to Russia's hybrid war tactics. Along with the EU and others.
It's not a secret that Russia/Putin is hostile to the US beyond mere rhetoric.
This is a pretty standard view, regardless of the current political climate.
The US has repeatedly applied sanctions and other restrictions against Russia too. Trump has yet to single-handedly repeal the general restrictions and sanctions writ-large. They are probably motivated to continue their relations without scrutiny, rather than draw global attention to the matter.
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u/zachrywd 7h ago
This, unfortunately war is not two-party concent. Elements within the US may be friendly to ruZZia, but the ruZZians themselves are hostile to the US... If my biased about ruZZia isn't apparent.
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u/BigBananaBerries 6h ago
Does an enemy state send a secret CIA delegation to its doorstep (only to be disclosed after it was “found out”?
Yes. Diplomatic discussions are going on all the time between enemies.
Does an enemy state allow it to go unchecked as it kills tens of thousands of innocent civilians in a friendly democracy?
Yes. If they think it's of no consequence to their own agenda or even furthers it, i.e. Russia's Ukraine blunder is weakening it substantially. To quote Napoleon:
"when the enemy is making a false movement we must take good care not to interrupt him.”
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u/Paatos 9h ago
Doesn't matter. Steinersky's attack will set everything alright.
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u/TumbleweedMain4608 8h ago
Mein Zar. Steinersky's attack did not happen.
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u/RebelliousInNature 9h ago
La la la not listening not listening. He’s pretty sensitive about that, huh 🤣
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u/plan_with_stan 9h ago
Eh, all of these types of reports are basically filler info, especially with headlines such as these. I won’t believe what people “report” they discussed, nobody knows for sure and everything else is just opinion….
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u/PerpetualGreen 2h ago edited 32m ago
The CIA director John Ratcliffe is a Trump sycophant and a contributor to Project 2025. Forgive me if don't believe anything he says, much as I don't believe anything the Russian media alleges he said. I'm just gonna go ahead and assume he was there for nefarious reasons.
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u/Relevant-Safety-2699 2h ago
I'm not sure I believe that the visit was unplanned, as is being reported. The director of the CIA is going to fly to Moscow in a US Military plane, request permission to land and then what...get in a taxi and start knocking on doors?
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u/mixxituk 9h ago
Best bud doesn't want secret intelligence from trumps CIA any more cause it's too real
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u/VoidHunterRaymond 7h ago
Putin knows Russia flopping hard and has thrown away decades of progress. Still even a dying bear can still maul anyone near it and we cant let up. Russia will push hard for their misinformation war on EU and US to try and get another Orban.
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u/macross1984 9h ago
No one like to hear bad news but bad leaders, dictators, autocrats, etc. have thin skin and here Putin show his weakness by refusing to listen to bad news and Russia has plenty piled up and more to come.
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u/DoktorFreedom 7h ago
Imagine that he just flew over, got off the plane, taken the limo in to waltz up to the counterpart just to say "yall suck lol"
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u/gimmebanter 10h ago
So all these stories about his yes-man keeping him in a bubble are bullshit. He refuses to hear any hint of truth, in fact, he literally throws it out the window whenever he can
He is the source of the delusion
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u/ProudPPortuguese 5h ago
I don’t fully believe it, I don’t think this leaks tell the whole truth about the visit.
Trump is in bed in one shape or form with the Russian, the US inviting them to G20 is a proof of that.
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u/Reddit_2_2024 4h ago
It is too bad Wagner Mercenary Group chief Yevgeny Prigozhin halted and did not complete is advance on Moscow.
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u/Sodacan259 5h ago
I personally, would not believe a word the CIA or the Russians have reprotedly said even if it was (or especially if it was) reported through Agentstvo.
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u/paulsteinway 2h ago
"You are getting weaker.
You could be easily defeated.
You should sign a peace treaty.
You are getting sleepy (I should have said that one first)."
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u/TheDecepticonIdeal 9h ago
Gosh people believe anything these days
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u/Cockandballs987 9h ago
Yeah the CIA guy totally just flew there to say that and not make deals/transfer information...
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u/StraightAirline8319 4h ago
To summarize in talks the American delegation with the CIA chief mentioned the reality that Russia is losing the war slowly. The war doesn’t benefit Russia and they have no hope to an actual end. Just more people dead and both Ukraine and Russia worse off.
Putin on learning this got upset and cancelled the meeting. Which only shows you Putin and the Russian leadership aren’t being realistic in their assessment.
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u/snickwiggler 4h ago
So Ratcliffe was due to tell Putin what is plain for everyone else to see. The clock is ticking for Vlad.
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u/userhwon 4h ago
He did not fly 400 tons of airplanes to Moscow to tell Putin the obvious. Get the fuck out with this.
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u/ezagreb 9h ago
Even if this was true Russia doesn’t listen to their own intelligence why would they pay attention to American intelligence? However I can almost believe the hubris of this administration in thinking that they would
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u/Packolypse 8h ago
Probably because it’s easier to deal with a single devil you know then the fallout
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u/IskanderDeezNuts 6h ago
Yes, the CIA director got on board a C17 Globe Master, flew all the way from Washington to Moscow, with a small stop in the Baltics - just for Ratcliffe to tell Putin you're losing; I supposed out of concern for Putin and Russia, because it's fact of life that the CIA only has the best of intentions for Russia. Sounds about reddit.
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u/wary 8h ago
Makes me wonder of Iran is our self-test against the new warfare model. The scope is limited but it has some of the new aspects of drone/missile warfare. I dont think our military is not aware of the changes we aee happening through the Ukraine/Russia war. Fucked up leadership aside, the core of the military understands the shift in tactics and knows things need to change
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u/My_18th_Account 8h ago
Be funny when Krasnov finally double-turns because he only likes winners like Zelensky 😂
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u/VirtualPercentage737 8h ago
Russia needs to stop fighting and start fucking. Their population is crumbing.
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u/Magnus_Helgisson 7h ago
Cancelling the meeting to avoid hearing you’re weak, what a power move! I wonder if putin stomped his little feet while cancelling
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u/fzammetti 3h ago
Okay, I'm usually pretty good at sussing such things out, but I gotta admit this one has me tumped.
What was even the goal here?!
Is it as simple as "U.S. intelligence doesn't think Putin is being properly informed so we're gonna do it?" Well, if so, that blew up in our face and we had to know that was a likely outcome, right?
Certainly we couldn't have thought we would actually get Russia to back down just based on our words, right? I certainly hope not or we're in delusion territory.
So what was the purpose of this? Maybe to show how deeply our intelligence gathering assets are? I doubt that since it seems like something you really never want to do.
The only thing that makes ANY sense to me is the notion that we don't want Russia to outright collapse since nukes are involved and you really don't want them in a failed state. So if that's what we assess is all but inevitable here if Russia doesn't stop - which, yeah, I would agree with that assessment in the long term - then I can see taking the chance to convince Putin of that,maybe stave off outright collapse and the potential proliferation issues that might arise.
But even if that WAS the reason, you gotta know it's NOT gonna work, right?
I mean, even if Putin and Russia as a whole said, "yeah, agreed, you're 100% right", they're going to do the exact opposite just so as to not appear subservient to the U.S.. If anything, this visit would likely have the opposite effect of what you want.
And I know I'm no super-genius, so I gotta think those in the intelligence community would know this too and so wouldn't make this move... which leads me to think it's got to be something else that I'm not seeing.
Anyone?
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u/CrosseyedDixieChick 2h ago
my thought would be US would like a stronger Russia because at least there is another challenge for China.
Russia does not want to piss off China so is acting like "hmm...weird the US is here". China wants to look closer to Russia then they are.
Russia can play the US card as long as it wants. No one else is playing the game anymore.
Or, more realistically, China is the one calling all the shots.
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u/Dry-Cut1589 3h ago
The US is telling Russia they are getting weaker?? It may be true, but maybe the US needs to look in the mirror!!
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u/8_of_clubs 3h ago
Yeah let’s trust that the people aspiring to follow Russia’s authoritarian path will tell us why they went to meet with Russia.
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u/Independent-Owl3387 2h ago
Why are we sending non-diplomats to be diplomatic work? There is specific training designed to facilitate diplomacy.
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u/Potential_Nose_7728 1h ago
Don’t know what has happened to White House , they are sending intelligence chief to collect open source, public domain data
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u/Dear-Examination-507 47m ago
Something funny about a delegate of one of the biggest liars in the world being turned away by one of the biggest liars in the world because the delegate was supposed to tell the truth.
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u/tesla1986 46m ago
Russia can't handle Ukraine. USA can't handle Iran.
I am waiting to see what China capable of.
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u/SneakyWheeler 10h ago
No wonder the first thing that leaked was that Russia "thinks the US is weak".
Projection has been the theme of this decade, hasn't it?