r/Apologetics • u/ShokWayve • 10d ago
Challenge against Christianity The Problem with the Problem of Evil
So, I have heard it said that the most cogent, visceral and powerful popular objection to theism is the problem of evil. I say “popular” because apparently in scholarly atheism it is apparently nowhere near as deployed as it is popularly. Regardless, the problem of evil is supposed to be a major conundrum popularly for Christian theism. However, I must confess, I fail to see how the problem of evil is an issue at all much less a particularly cogent one for Christian theism.
So, below I outline my thoughts. I welcome, invite and even seek your critique and criticism of my argument below. Attack it without mercy. I am from an academic background so you won’t hurt my feelings :-). Also, for the atheists here, I would also love your thoughts and criticisms as well.
The theme of my line of thinking is that the problem of evil assumes an atheist’s view of reality then proceeds based on those assumptions.
Bear in mind, this argument doesn’t claim to demonstrate the existence of God, rather it assesses the problem of evil within a Christian classical theism framework. Also, this originally started as a response elsewhere to the problem of evil in the form of animal suffering.
So let’s look at some key points.
Point 1: The Bible says that all things are from God, for God, to God and through God. Not a few things, but all things. This includes rocks, stones, atoms, quarks, galaxies, animals, people, anything that exists that is not God. Already with that point alone the problem of evil begins to evaporate. Life is not some random burp of circumstances. All of reality is from God and to God. Immediately that establishes the purpose, reason and goal of existence. It is good for God to move reality towards its purpose.
For sentient beings, of what animals are, then the purpose includes ultimate being with God which is ultimately the joy, peace, truth, goodness, love, etc that we seek.
Point 2: Death is an issue for us not God. All are alive to God and God can restore any life at any moment. So nothing is lost to God. God can restore all. From God’s perspective death is to us like someone going from one room to another. The problem of evil objector often assumes death is some huge deal for God and presents some type of serious challenge. If John can’t wait to play video games when he gets home and then finally goes into the basement man cave to play video games, should we see John not being in the living room upstairs as some great evil and terrible dilemma? The problem of evil objector then responds yes but that person is not dead. For God, all alive to God and all are within God’s power to restore and God promises to do so. What’s the problem? If that person or animal experiences next tGod which is ultimately all they actually seek and want and they are eternally in bliss what is the issue exactly? I just don’t see the problem. If someone buys an RV to take long trips, is it evil for them to then use the RV to take long trips? Certainly it is intuitive when a being’s good purpose is being fulfilled that is a good thing and not problematic.
Point 3: The suffering is not pointless but serves a specific purpose even when it seems gratuitous. First, to even see it as gratuitous is to often assume the atheistic world view that physical reality is a thing unto itself. Second, we know from scripture that God loves us and God is love. If you have kids, do you ever subject them to anything without a purpose? Do you make your kids suffer gratuitously? No. So why would God? The issue is that we don’t know the purpose of the suffering. Yet we know God only does good things so ultimately it is for our good. So even if we don’t know why there is suffering and pain that seems gratuitous, within the context of points 1 to 3, we have good reason to conclude it must be good and it is our task to work to figure it out, and trust God in the process. This is no different than trusting humans in situations wherein that human has vastly more knowledge than us and we don’t understand what they are directing us to do.
In his book He Who Is, H L Mackey makes the point we don’t often see folks leave the gym after a tough workout and say they are now atheist because of how hard and painful was the workout. In fact, when working out we often welcome pain and difficulty. Why? Because we know the purpose of the pain and we know it actually signals growth is imminent (and occurring). Given that God is love, we know therefore, that any instance of suffering no matter how seemingly ridiculously gratuitous is ultimately for the good of the being undergoing it whether in this life or beyond.
Point 4: God’s decision considerations extends beyond this life since all are always alive to him or available to him. While we view a painful prolonged death as the end, for God that is a phase or period in that beings existence - no different than to us when someone undergoing some temporary pain or suffering to improve themselves. The problem of evil often assumes this life is all there is. However that is false. So of course God makes decisions that are far beyond our time horizons. When I was a kid, my thoughts were about playing during the day. I found it odd and bizarre that adults thought about anything beyond having fun that day. As an adult, now I think about both the day and long term considerations and act with those in mind. Ergo, my actions are vastly different than they were when I was a kid. Now consider points 1 to 4 and it’s easy to see how God could approach managing the existence of beings in a way radically different than we can even conceive. Paul said eyes have not seen nor ears have heard. So we fundamentally have no real idea what God is preparing beings for. One day we will.
It is based on these points that I just don’t see why the problem of evil is so convincing for so many people.
Now of course this response doesn’t establish the existence of God nor is it meant to. It does however establish that the problem of evil is not a problem for Christianity.