r/Eve • u/Interesting_End1350 • 10h ago
Discussion Is this not input broadcasting?
https://zkillboard.com/kill/138103389/I honestly think a lot of people are begging to be ganked with their ridiculously high value freighter loads, but.... over 50 torpedoes in one tick?
That seems fishy. I don't think I could even click my mouse or a button 50 times in one tick if I tried, much less swap clients that fast.
Hell, even if it isn't input broadcasting (which I think it is), FCCP, is this really what you want for your game?
EDIT: This is not my killmail, I just happened to see it.
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u/JayneKadio 9h ago
I'd just love to see a ganker stream this so everyone can say 'ah - that's how they do it without cheating'
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u/Admiral_Mason 5h ago
https://youtu.be/YVH367BTVe0?si=zmA585Iu2YOgLiJD
I record video.
Not gonna stream cus then viewers will just message freighters on the pipe not to come into my system.
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u/EVE_Burner_Account Cloaked 7h ago
It would have to include a second camera shooting top down on the keyboard/mouse and an epilepsy warning for how fast they would be switching characters with mouse scroll keybind
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u/Admiral_Mason 9h ago
Post the logs and you have your answer
You just don't know how missile damage works
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u/_Gravhammer 8h ago
The top damage ship was a purifier.
It did 11,694 damage.
The max a purifier can volley is 6379 (max skills, rage torps, t2 launchers, 3x t2 BCU’s (not including drugs/implants, but that’s not enough to push it to that) and his fit is 2x BCU according to KM’s so it’s only 6035
It applies that fully to your shields, and its second volley dealt either 3017 to your armor, or 4043 to your hull. Likely the latter, since that’s where the bulk of your EHP is and with the cycle time of torps + flight time (more on that later) your armor was probably gone before his second volley landed.
This leaves 1164 damage uncounted for, which means either or his skills on that toon are not perfect and so he landed 3 volleys of lesser amounts, and given missile flight time, and that means the 4th could have been in flight.
At the 8.06 second (9 tick) cycle time of torp launchers, that means over half a minute to cycle thru accounts and shoot with them, which tracks since there are hounds that dealt 4.691 damage to you, consistent with one volley in a 2x BCU fit with ~ level 4 skills hitting your armor.
If this was input broadcasting you would see much more uniform damage numbers across alts, with variation only for the different resist profiles of your shield/armor/hull which were there when the Torps landed, not entire vollies of difference. (Beyond a few who’s 1st Torps never landed at all because you were dead between launch and land)
Like almost every single person that posts on this sub complaining about input broadcasting, you’re simply tilted that you did something stupid and got caught out by someone who hyperspecializes in capitalizing on those mistakes, and you do not multibox (or do not do it anywhere near the degree that dedicated boxers do) so you don’t understand the capabilities of simple hotkeys and a well-laid-out overview set up to be identical across all charachters/clients. It’s more like drumming with your fingers than it is clicking a module.
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u/Admiral_Mason 8h ago
3 volleys is impossible in Jita for a Purifier or Hound. The number difference you are seeing is implants plus fittings for cloak
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u/Interesting_End1350 7h ago edited 7h ago
Oh that wasn't my freighter. I do multibox, but I have a mere 5 accounts. Which I think is in the realm of "normal", at least for this game.
If it's not input broadcasting, then so be it. It might as well be. The effect is the same. Pay to win RTS, not MMO.
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u/Aelrikom ORE 9h ago
Hawk has been specifically cleared by CCP in the past. He is not input broadcasting.
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u/thebomby 8h ago
Clipped Wingz definitely uses input broadcasting. I was in a station with them in Uttindar, near to the Bei gate, and all 30 characters undocked in one tick. Literally impossible if you're doing it manually. I've seen the same behaviour in Pochven as well, but Fenris/CCP, aka Icelandic whale fat and fermented ammonia shark consumers, don't give a fuck because it makes them big monies and they can continue to think that Icelanders are somehow special people. Special people in the sense of being better than everyone else, not special people in needing remedial lessons for being slow and insular.
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u/mrbezlington 8h ago
First of all, that's Hawk. One of the highest profile, most prolific gankers in the game. I would be pretty surprised of they were input broadcasting.
Secondly, you have no idea if that's on one tick or not (unless you have logs to prove it). I'm not saying this as a defender of gankers or anything, just... mechanically, you have no idea if that's one tick or not. In case you weren't aware, you don't need them all to be on one tick to avoid concord - you have 10 seconds or so (someone will correct me) for a pulled concord response.
Thirdly, I'm pretty sure that one person soaking 50 characters worth of Plex is 100% bang on Fenrir's business model however you look at it.
Finally, ganking ain't going anywhere. Just because it's the first time you've seen it done like this, don't mean it's the first time anyone has. This is a tale as old as ever itself.
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u/Interesting_End1350 7h ago
I don't expect ganking to go anywhere, the gank is not the issue. The issue is high sec is filled with systems with characters all with the same name being controlled by one person, and I don't think it's good for the game. There is no cooperation, this is not MMO, this is pay to win RTS.
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u/horsewitnoname 10h ago
Even if it’s not input broadcasting, I don’t think stuff like this is good for the game.
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u/Admiral_Mason 9h ago
Agreed, people shouldn't be hauling 40b around in slow freighters in the busiest system in the game
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u/Knathuul Minmatar Republic 9h ago
Better to multi box 10 freighters with 4b each, the way the game was meant to be played
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u/Waari666 10h ago
He does not need to do all of that in 1 tick. After first 2 he is pressing next client and guns. We are not talking some SC2 pro level APM here lol
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u/snow38385 10h ago
Maybe, but it is also dumb to carry this much isk through high sec without wrapping your package.
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u/Interesting_End1350 7h ago edited 7h ago
Oh I agree this guy was fucking ASKING for it. I would still limit the amount of accounts a single person can operate, even if he's not technically cheating.
If gankers want to gank then so be it, it's not entirely bad for the game that ganks happen. It is bad when there are 50 accounts being controlled by one person. That is pay to win, RTS, not MMO.
I'm pretty certain that ship is WAAAY over the horizon at this point, but it just feels scummy. No cooperation, just a horde of characters all with the same name. Does not feel very MMO.
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u/Krops- Wormholer 9h ago
Just so people are aware, a boxer or ganker can sit on an upwell structure with one catapult character that doesn't have weapons pre-locked or pre-clicked (click any aggressive module that needs to target for it to work you can see the on screen crosshairs doing this)
Cycling windows with eve legal programs like eve-o/eve-x etc that are as far as I am aware to todays date still ok by devs without any modifications, you can cycle between these windows even with default operating system tools
Then cycling/landing on a target with one that hit warp squad, you click the overview spot that is copied or over time matched (or some boxers who never modify overview and just vanilla box) thusly about 15-20 within 2-4 seconds or 1-2 server tick from what I understand.
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u/claythearc CODE. 9h ago
At big freighter scale like this, it’s normally 4-6 ticks. There’s a lot of UI hitches and window lag we experience when swapping through so many windows that really slows us down. It’s just not as apparently with bombers because they’re only getting one volley anyways so it doesn’t matter
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u/RhythmWaltz level 69 enchanter 9h ago
No no clearly, they are input broadcasting. Haven't you been paying attention to reddit? /s
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u/Interesting_End1350 7h ago
I like to shit on reddit as much as the next guy, but clearly reddit does not believe this to be input broadcasting.
And maybe it isn't.
I still think this is turning EVE into a pay to win RTS, this is not MMO. If 50 gankers want to have a gank party that's one thing, when it is one person with their $300-$500 per month capsuleer army, that is a disease.
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u/Sincline387 Goonswarm Federation 9h ago
Logs or shut the F up, we have no idea how long it took for them all to fire, being on a killmail doesn't insure that they all fired in the same tick.
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u/EVE_Burner_Account Cloaked 8h ago
It's Hawk. He's just good at what he does. Post the logs and you will see it's multiple ticks
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u/B3AST_MODE_B3AST 4h ago
I know 100% for sure Hawk and Admiral are not broadcasting. These guys do this all day with dozens of accounts and would absolutely be first to be banned if they were. Please don't gank me.
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u/white_leaky_fluid 10h ago
POST THE LOGS