Very vocal about his contempt about Israel’s government and has stated he’s cutting ties with people who support it. Idk who that includes in the MCU cast though.
Not sure what dickhead is downvoting you. It's a verifiable fact. The ad is on youtube.
Also it's the one thing to think israel should exist but you don't even need to support companies in the west bank specifically.
Part of the reason people liked Soda Stream was because it manufactured in the West Bank. It was the main point of the marketing. The tag line was "Island of Peace". Back then it was seen as a positive thing because Palestinians who wouldn't get any jobs otherwise were getting stable wages 4x the average wage in the WB, in a highly successful global company.
I certainly thought Scarlett Johansson took the job precisely because she thought it was step in the right direction for everyone involved. She and mostly everyone who bought SodaStream products thought they were actually supporting a project for stability and peace.
SodaStream CEO openly criticizes Netanyahu and his government.
Once reddit chooses a side on a narrative it's hard to stop.
You have to keep repeating the facts for like several years, until finally they reject the incorrect view and pretend that the correct version is what they thought all along.
Nor does the fact that she and Ruffalo were close through all that. He doesn’t seem to have a problem with the OG Avengers. He’s spoken about losing some friends over the issue because they were so staunchly pro Israel despite everything. Not because they supported Israel at all. He even still follows Debra Messing on instagram. Whoever he fell out with it’s someone who is likely very outspoken given the vehemence of their beliefs leading to an insurmountable conflict between them.
Years ago Scarlett was a UN ambassador then signed a deal to be the face of (isreali company) Sodastream. The UN basically told her she had to choose and she chose Soda.
It was Oxfam actually. In an interview she said, "..I also think for a non-governmental organisation to be supporting something that's supporting a political cause … something feels not right about that to me. There's plenty of evidence that Oxfam does support and has funded a BDS [boycott, divest, sanctions] movement in the past." So she is also against BDS, and Oxfam has never actually directly supported it either.
I was working for Oxfam back then. They will/were basically blacklist any company that even submit a bid on a tender in occupied territories that is not conducted by a Palestinian company.
Oxfam is not neutral, it will take position whenever it is supporting it's mandate/goal of fighting inequality to end poverty and injustice.
The idea that an NGO shouldn't be political is baffling to me. We should leave anything that might affect how people live purely to political parties and companies?
I'd say individuals but a big way the every day person supports change is through supporting an NGO. Be it on human or environmental issues and anything in between.
In some cases be as neutral as possible will be the key for an organisation to secure access to civilians in need. Depending on the context it can be very effective, allowing them to deliver with minimal interference from armed groups.
For others, they are there to make "noise" like raising awareness on some issues.
Some will do a bit of both. That's also why quite a few are facing issues at being allowed to work in Gaza, Israel don't like what they may have said. Russia did the same. Mali and Burkina Faso are also adopting similar stances yet a bit different.
Doctors without borders France is likely the most dogmatic about neutrality. It will basically takes direct and targeted violence at a large enough scale to the population they aim to support before they'll raise a voice. Basically when they cannot work anymore, so staying neutral wouldn't allow them to work anyway.
Some will say that being neutral is giving legitimacy to one side or another. It is sadly harder than that. It can mean witnessing bad things and having to live with it in silence as raising a voice could mean the end of supporting anyone in some context.
Sodastream the company was built on an Israeli settlement in the occupied West Bank (illegal under international law), after being criticised they did up sticks and moved back into Isreal, but in doing so most Palestinian lost their jobs due to work permit restrictions and apartheid in Israel
The founder of SodaStream was pretty intentional about using his company to build bridges between the two communities and provide equitable and just economic opportunities and working conditions for Palestinians living in the West Bank. When they left the West Bank he fought hard to get work permits for the West Bank employees who would be losing their jobs, but most were unable to keep their jobs.
Just an example of one of the few BDS wins, and how it disproportionally affected the Palestinians and not Israelis or the company itself. In fact SodaStream was sold to PepsiCo in 2018 for $3.2 billion.
Sodastream wasn't founded in israel and it's been around way longer than Israel itself. But Daniel Birnbaum was pretty pissed when Netanyahu wouldn't let his Palestinians workers keep their jobs (none kept them in the end their permits got revoked ahead of their expiry) and even started openly calling Israel an apartheid state over it
Pro-tip: When the tanks are empty you can unscrew the valve and refill them with the appropriate mass of dry ice. I recommend pellets as you don’t have to break them up to get them to fit through the bottle neck. Drain completely and loosen the burst disc before removing the valve, then tighten down the burst disc immediately after reinstalling.
Get dry ice and refill the bottles by weight. My dad does this for his sodastream. He found it to be cheaper than swapping tanks or finding a local service that can refill food grade CO2, especially if you have multiple tanks.
Ooof, you might want to look at the ties between Indigo and Israel then. And maybe also for a different source for your canisters.
edit: I didn't realize Indigo the soda company isn't the same as Indigo the book/lifestyle store. The latter has direct ties to Israel and there have been many boycotts. I'm keeping my comment up in case anyone else makes the same mistake!
Or you can buy a large co2 tank and connect it to soda stream. Dont have to change cartridges this way. Depending on size it can last over a year easily. Downside is that you have a large co2 tank but much cheaper to refill
I guess not all Israeli's are warmongers and not all Palestinians either. I'm sure there's large parts of their populations who are just as, it not more, sick of their shit than the rest of us.
it's like sweeping generalisations are bad, or something
One thing that is historically true, for example, is that other Arab sub-cultures (especially in the early days of Israel but still kinda ongoing now) are not especially interested in Palestinian issues except as a cudgel to beat Israel with. You find some pretty horrifying stuff when you go looking for how Jordan and Egypt treated attempted refugees from the West Bank and Gaza, and there were persistent stories of Jordanian officials in particular hijacking/misdirecting UN refugee aid to the West Bank in the 1970s.
(this is not a defense of Israel, this is a commentary on how shitty Egypt and Jordan ALSO historically are in this whole thing)
There's a large Jewish population in both Turkiye and Iran, and Jordan has a large one as well. There's are Jews in basically every country in the middle east, Judaism is outlawed literally nowhere.
Yes but some of us have never bought sodastream, so we wouldn't know that. But that's for the pic. I just had one of those shits that's so clean you don't have to wipe while I typed this out
It's not (anymore). It's owed by PepsiCo. The company being based in on settled land had lots of controversies to it. While it might be true that Palestinians didn't love the fact it was on occupied land, they paid quite well (in comparison) and employed 500-600 Palestinians. When the company moved to Israeli territory most of them lost their jobs. As so often, it's complicated.
I love this comment. Sodastream employed Palestinians in the West Bank and that was bad. Sodastream stopped employing Palestinians in the West Bank and that was bad.
Interesting, they hated Sodastream for going there and then hated them for leaving? It sounds like Palestinians are both desperately dependent upon Israel, and hopelessly addicted to biting the hand that feeds them.
So, we’re going to ignore that Egypt and Jordan also run checkpoints along every border with Palestine? Black September? Palestinian terror attacks in Egypt after the military coup took down the Muslim Brotherhood?
I guess we’re also going to ignore that Palestine has attacked every Arab neighbor so much that literally only Israel is willing to provide them any support whatsoever?
The only reason Israel feels confident enough to steamroll Palestine and genocide the Palestinian people is because Palestine has systematically attacked every Arab neighbor in the region to the point that nobody wants to deal with them at all. They did it to themselves.
It does not excuse Israel’s actions in any way, shape, or form. It does explain why Palestine has seen absolutely no Arab support for at least a decade. And after Hezbollah orchestrated a civil war in 2014 and Gaza seceded from Palestine, there is absolutely no sympathy for Gaza. The West Bank and its Fatah (a terrorist group masquerading as a political party) leadership has much better ties with Palestine’s Arab neighbors.
It’s always weird when the anti-Israel Muslim botnet neglects to mention Palestine’s violent history with literally everyone. A person can be anti-Israel without being pro-Palestine.
Interestingly, Palestinian refugees started a civil war in Jordan back in the 1960’s because Jordanians were starting to become pro-communist and Palestine didn’t like that. Just like they execute any member of the LGBT.
Pro-Palestine is anti-LGBT and anti-feminist. You live with apes, man, it’s hard to be clean. There’s no time to discriminate. Hate every motherfucker that’s in your way.
Correction: While the company currently is operating out of Israeli, it was set up in London in 1903, first sold to home consumers in 1955, was bought by an Israeli company in 1998. Then was bought by PepsiCo in 2018, but still operates out of, and is HQed in Israel.
Palestinians in the West Bank aren’t citizens of Israel because the West Bank isn’t part of Israel. If you think the West Bank IS a part of Israel you are literally agreeing with the settlers. Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza not being allowed to work in Israel is not evidence of apartheid. It’s like saying Switzerland is an apartheid state because Spaniards can’t work there without a work permit.
Yeah, that’s a crappy deal across the board. Whenever HAMAS has attacked Israel, the government reasonably closes the borders. This bones Israeli employers who are relying on Palestinian workers, and the workers who are paid Much better in Israel. I’m sure Sodastream got a Really good deal to build where they did, and it was a gamble, that honestly was a short term win at best. I get the limited resources of a smaller company trying to become global, and I’m sure it seemed too good to pass up, but here we are. I really, really doubt that any of the Avengers actors support Netanyahu and the religious fundamentalists that have a stranglehold on the government of Israel. And just FYI: Scarlett Johansen has family members who died in the Warsaw ghetto, and then we're liquidated in the Nazi camps.
Apartheid? That would imply that the west bank is part of Israel, in which case the settlements aren't illegal. pick a lane, I don't care which one, but be consistent in your point of view
So they complained about them building on the west Bank but were surprised when the jobs that were provided went away when the company complied with international law?
Yeah, this was one example of an Israeli company hiring Palestinians and getting them the ability to make a living - even though there's a lot of potential issues about the original location of the company.
So basically the white liberal shrieking about a thing just made it worse for all the poor and struggling. As usual, their feelings are more important than reality.
She was never an UN ambassador. She was a global ambassador for Oxfam.
Oxfam did the right thing and call her out on the inconsistency.
She then choose Sodastream and claimed that the brand had hundreds of Palestinians workers in the West Bank but now the brand moved to the Negev region and hundreds of Palestianians lost their jobs.
Negev region and hundreds of Palestianians lost their jobs.
To be entirely fair, they moved because of public preassure for being on occupied land so they moved their production and now people complain how they moved the jobs with them.....how did people imagine this to work?
For anyone interested, there are Sodastream alternatives!
Drinkmate makes a better product overall - their design can carbonate pretty much any liquid.
If you already have a sodastream, most brewing supply stores can refill your co2 canisters. Alternatively, with a couple of wrenches you can even refill them by weight with dry ice pellets (google is your friend here).
Humans are technically slightly carbonated. We produce carbon dioxide CO2) as waste, and this turns into carbonic acid in the blood. This is the same thing that happens when you carbonate drinks. And, when you hold your breath, you'll be slightly more carbonated!
Related fact: our bodies can't sense the presence of oxygen. Rather, it senses the lowered ph from that carbonic acid to tell you when to breathe. This is one reason low oxygen environment that are also low CO2 are very dangerous, your body doesn't realize it's not getting the needed oxygen
I’m sorry, maybe it’s because it’s so early or maybe I’m still a bit buzzed from last night but I can’t imagine what the fuck a carbonated grape is and google is only giving me carbonated grape juice. Can you please explain?
You put grapes in the drink mate and it makes them fizzy when you eat them. It’s kinda cool. Iirc Greg from How to Drink on YouTube shows it in one of his drink videos
She had Josh Hutcherson on her show for like 5 mins when he was doing promo for The Hunger Games and she was so uninterested and rude to him that I knew something was up.
Yeah it does, but I mean there’s a lot of Israeli money in Hollywood and a lot of very pro Israeli, powerful people who will 100% Blacklist anyone who gets on their bad side. Hollywood is still very much “that” type of place. It doesn’t matter how big and famous you are.. they can destroy a career if they want. I honestly feel like we won’t see Mark Ruffalo in anything big again after this and it’s admirable he’s fully ware of this and sticking to his beliefs of not massacring innocent children!
Scarlett Johansson is a garbage person. I can't believe she has skated by for so long. Her soda stream deal that she chose over her charity work, her support for Woody Allen, and she was quite a cheerleader for Weinstein too.
And let's not forget her willingness to take any role, even if she's not quite the right ethnicity. Ryan Reynolds divorced her and married Olivia Wilde, and that should actually say a lot if you're aware of HER reputation.
And while it's not something I specifically judge, but I have a friend that met her multiple times (worked at a popular restaurant in a city where she was filming), and that friend says she always reeks of cigarettes and has bad breath (makes sense).
That is absolutly baffling to hear; legit they seem more intelligent than that.
Edit: nazi counter. 52 upvotes at a 77 % upvote ratio equals 12 possible nazis, albiet I guess they might be upset I called scar jo smart.
Edit edit: context clues are a thing, but it’s reasonable to assume people are assuming bad faith, so here on my thoughts on my use of the term nazi lol. It was a mindful choice.
“Disclaimer: a better term for nazi sympathizer is nazi, and I don’t think the ethnicity of the victims or the perpetrators should be the qualifier for said descriptor; if your supporting a government that genocides, rapes, rapes with dogs, tortures children and journalists, rapes prisoners, rounds up and murders two different minority groups based off ethnicity, targets doctors, blocks medical aid, creates forced starvation while saying documenting any of this stuff is a racial hate crime, than you are a nazi.
Which is to say, I am drawing the line between Zionism and nazism with intent and purpose, and not as a function of sensationalism, where it should also be noted; yeah sure, “not all men”, but like… .”
I say as much in a different comment here, but yeah; I stand by this sentiment.
Javier Bardem was always very vocal about his support for Allen, referencing him being cleared by courts and medical examinations of Dylan, but after the endless ties to and pictures with Epstein they have no argument.
First of all, love the monkey reference. I play in cover bands and I'm adamant that I'm not an artist, I'm a trained monkey.
I have a slightly different take on celebrities voicing their opinions. To me, it's the same as someone at work voicing their opinion. If they're asked and the respond, fine. I don't have to like it and I don't have to care, but whatever. Now, if a celebrity or coworker decides it's their new job to spout their opinions all the time, they can gtfo of my life with that shit.
It's not so much looking up to actors and musicians.
It's the constant after the fact, "I enjoyed that performance" "oh did you know they did x,y and z fucked up thing.
The kind of stuff that if known fullhand before may influence your financial support for their work. But being constantly informed on hundreds of people's actions and decisions is not possible, you will go insane, even in our digital world.
Artists and musicians absolutely are important to society. You're correct that they don't necessarily know more than the average person, and their opinions shouldn't carry above-average weight, but to say they're not important is just asinine.
As of my downvote you're at 43 upvotes, an hour after your edit, so seems like people don't really like the whole "everyone who downvotes me is either a Nazi or upset that someone thinks Scar Jo is smart" attitude.
Also, while I have no opinion's on these people's actual intelligence I will point out that an actor's job is to convincingly pretend to be something that they are not.
Oh yeah, and I have no idea why a Jew would support a company from the only country with a Jewish majority. None at all.
Tom Holland is best buddies with Bernthal, infact, it was Bernthal who told 15 year old Holland to send in an audition tape for spiderman, but not the stupid one he filmed, he said do a bunch of back flips and shit
Zendaya is pro palestine, she even did a fundraiser for it, but has remained silent since the backlash for it.
i will get some downvotes for that. but its realy sad that todays society can only see black&white. you can be pro israel the extend of "they are a legit state and have a right to defend themself againt terrororganisations or neighbour country" and still can say that their settlements in many areas are illegal, they kill innocent people and that needs to stop and say that many of their leaders are now rightwing idiots that need to go. pro israel is not pro zionism. and i can be pro palestine in a sense of gave them their country and stop killing innocent people and still be like "hamas is a terror organisation and need to be destroyed". if i say "stop killing innocent palestinians" im for the destruction of israel and hate jews...
The people that talk like that have been 100% captured by propaganda but they view their cause as so overly righteous that they don’t have to be factually correct about anything since it all about feelings and vibes.
To many people I talk to, my attempts to defend Palestine's right to exist are immediately and absolutely conflated with support for Hamas. On the other end, many people that support Israel are very vocal about supporting the IDF.
It’s like saying you’re pro Germany in the Second World War. I’m sure people probably thought Germany had a right to exist as a country and a people. But supporting the side committing genocide and violently colonising other countries wasn’t a good look.
The difference between the two sides here is who’s committing the murder and doing the murdering. It’s easier to add nuance to the victims. And when the war is supported by 80-90% of Israelis (recent polls suggest is the case not my opinion) then it also makes it hard to say “these people happily committing and supporting genocide are good people”
I wish more people understood what nuance is and that actions are more easily labled good/bad than people or countries, but even actions can be complicated.
Go ahead and read the story, the headlines aren't the whole truth.
its the same thing that people always dig up gal gadots IDF service, its madatory if youblive there. like itvwas in germany some years ago. everyone was forced to either go to the military for some month or work in a social job.
or refuse to do so as not that many people, but still a considerable number of people did.
there is a huge difference between doing mandatory service somewhere like south korea, where it's still technically at war but the people who do mandatory service aren't regularly asked to commit war crimes and doing it in Israel and saying it's the same thing. Same with germany, you can be fine with mandatory service but at the same time say "just following orders" wasn't a valid excuse for people committing war crimes during the war.
the the PLO attacks from libanon should be ignored i guess.. or was that self defence? israel attacked the libanon 9 years later to get rid of the palestinian milizia the libanon cant or wouldnt do shit about. the hizbollah is attacking israel for decades now.. is it self defence?
This is a solid take and I agree to an extent although I think a two state solution is out the window at this point. The only way I see this ending is Palestinians (Gazans to be exact)complete reject Hamas, Israel grants them citizenship,reparations , and they get representation within the Israeli Government. I'd also argue that a lot of people in the west live a bubble where they assume every other culture holds the same values they do. I can tell you from first hand experience, that is not the case. The value of human life in the middle east( and other parts of the world) is significantly lower than most Westerners think it is. This is why organizations like Hamas, the Taliban, and the Iranian regime have zero issue putting their own people at risk or outright killing them to further their own agendas.
You can’t even comprehend how many people are out there loudly protecting Israel. They are literally saying every human from Palestine loves seeing Hamas killing people and that Israel is not targeting civilians. Or, that it’s perfectly fine to target civilians for Israel.
And a lot of people try to create a victim role by saying it’s antisemitism that people are against the genocide which Israel is carrying out, together with the call that there is no genocide at all.
That's fortunately shifting now, thanks to Netanyahu, Smotrich et al. They are currently deliberately destroying civilian infrastructure, water supply, crops and the sewage system in Lebanon - they want to turn it into a plague-riddled wasteland to drive the population away. It's infuriating that Western public media is still hardly mentioning it.
Not to mention the double and triple taps on schools, where they made an effort to kill as many medical staff as they could - or the deliberate killing of journalists and aid workers. They should be sentenced in the Hague and locked away for life!
I legit expected Zendaya & Ruffalo to have very small appearenes in the new spider-man movie, with Ruffalo might only being CGI, but turns out that's not true & they're all in the movie extensively.
They’re saying it’s fortunate that people are seeing the truth about the Israeli government doing horrible things to civilians in neighboring countries and sentiment is shifting, they’re not saying the war crimes themselves are fortunate.
I meant that it's fortunate people around the world are finally seeing the atrocities for what they are and stop ignoring or whitewashing and justifying everything Israel does - it's high time the population got rid of the government - though a large part of the population is 100% the government policies, so I'm not even sure they wouldn't win again if they actually allowed elections now. At least the IDF and the settlers in the West Bank would vote for them again, any day.
Which backfired immediately, given how many protestors just started singing Two Strong Hearts by John Farnham which happened to include almost those exact lyrics by coincidence, creating perfect plausible deniability
I would say it's more to the frustration of the Israeli government, which in turn sends people over to Australia to frustrate the Australian government and then we get to learn that unfortunately Australia has very little political power when comes to dealing with bullies like Israel and its gimp-slave the United States.
Yup. We are running a Royal Commission into Antisemitism and Social Cohesion that appears to lack the Social Cohesion part.
The special envoy on antisemitism, Segal, has advocated for a number of disturbing changes to Australian society from special 'oversight' of educational bodies to forcing the IHRA definition of antisemitism which would chill legitimate criticism of the state of Israel.
Governments state to federal appear to be bending pro-Israel. The mood of the population is the opposite. Wonder why.
Majority of Europeans think both behave badly and while many sympathise with the victims on both sides, the atittude is overall to let the region be left alone and deal with it themselves. And just like with any previous war between the two, it will be largely forgetton what happened. The terror attacks from ISIS made sure that a lot of Europeans don't see Islamic states in a non-negative light, so while Israel may be unpopular and people want bombings to stop, it doesn't mean that Palestinians as a whole are really supported or will be supported after the war ends. A two state solution was already seen even before as the solution so nothing will really change in a few years. You can even see this with the Ukraine - the Ukraine is a in comparison to the other twos a clear victim and was attacked unprovokedly by Russia. And yet they lose sympathy points in Europeans countries the longer the war goes on because people are at one point tired of war and want to end it, even if it means the victim has to partly give up something.
Ukraine is mostly viewed badly by right-wingers or extreme russian bootlickers.
And regarding Israel-Palestine Most want a two state solution but without Hamas. Hamas is Just a terror org that even blatantly states they want to kill all jews.
Netanjahu is also viewed unfavorably in most circles.
Spanish government is super pro palestine, but people on the streets are not represented by their president.
Most people hate this government, even leftists say it's too far left after the Moroccan invasion and how the government supported the invasion instead of Spanish citizens.
And people are really tired of moroccans, arabs, argelina, and other muslims causing troubles from a long time ago and silently invading Spain, so there's a lot of leftist people that don't support Palestina, and many LGBT+ people who supported them initialy, now don't care anymore about them because they see muslims hate them for their sexual orientation.
So while the palestina good VS israel bad had a great impact on the beginning of the conflict, now people just started to not give a single fuck because Spain has lots of problem to solve before we can solve the ones from people who don't even respect our own culture.
There is an insane amount of obfuscation and misinformation in the mainstream and adjacent media discussion. It's actually relatively difficult for unmotivated people to stumble across clear and trustworthy information, Israel is much more sophisticated in it's PR.
Nah, most people on reddit are fairly Palestine leading, so its easy to forget, that - being Muslims - most Americans and Europeans will be inherently hostile to Palestine on general principle.
Remember, in the US, a third of people are pro-trump and another third was so disengaged they think 'not being a paedophile' was sufficient reason to back the non-paedophile against the paedophile.
Lots of people seriously back Israels genocide, their illegal settlements, and the horrific human rights abuses: even when those same abuses are being condemned by other, disgusted and outraged Israelis, like the heroic B’Tselem.
It's almost as if actors and actresses are humans with their own stupid opinions and just like politicians and rich people, they are not that special and shouldn't be considered special.
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u/Sir_Eggmitton 22d ago
Very vocal about his contempt about Israel’s government and has stated he’s cutting ties with people who support it. Idk who that includes in the MCU cast though.