Not something like Dlss 5, but a fixed multi frame gen, better ray regen or radiance cache. I know some people are gonna say that “You shouldve bought nvidia" but as a long time Radeon/Ati user i think there is nothing wrong with wanting a higher quality experience.

cant wait to hook it up gotta get a new PSU tho

I went down a bit of a rabbit hole with DLSS 5.

I'm considering getting a couple of Radeon AI PRO R9700s for AI work because 32 GB per card is very attractive, and while looking at what I would be giving up on the gaming side I started digging into DLSS 5 Neural Rendering.

That eventually turned into getting it actually running on one of my old laptops.

The machine is nothing special:

RTX 2070 Max Q 8 GB
i7-10750H
32 GB DDR4
Linux + Proton

No ReShade.

I'm intercepting the NGX/D3D12 path with a proxy, keeping the game's original DLSS path intact, executing nvngx_dlssnr 310.8, and returning the neural rendered frame.

I'm posting a video comparison with and without the Neural Rendering pass so people can see the actual output rather than just traces or screenshots.

The interesting part came after I started looking at what the DLL was really executing.

From a single frame I extracted 176 CUBINs and traced 174 kernel launches. There are Swin and ViT style blocks, QKV projections, and a lot of kernels with names like fused_swin_*_fp8.

The model is clearly built heavily around FP8 E4M3.

And that explains a lot of what happens on Turing.

The RTX 2070 has Tensor Cores, but no native FP8 support. Looking at the SASS, the FP8 workload gets transformed into a much more complicated FP16 path with unpacking, extra matrix instructions, register pressure, spills and a lot of auxiliary work.

I found alternative non FP8 kernels in the binaries too. In one QKV case the FP8 path was roughly 11.9k static instructions with 368 bytes of stack per thread, while the non FP8 version was around 2.6k instructions and 8 bytes of stack.

I also isolated 16 QKVs of 3600x512x1536 and tested them directly on the 2070 Max Q.

Persistent FP16 weights took about 4.20 ms.

Converting E4M3 to FP16 before every GEMM took about 4.45 ms.

The 16 E4M3 conversions themselves took only about 0.33 ms.

The persistent and converted versions produced bit identical results in that test.

That was probably the most useful result, because it suggests that the problem on Turing isn't simply "FP8 has to be converted to FP16, therefore it is slow".

The conversion itself is cheap.

The expensive part appears to be everything the existing FP8 kernels have to do around that conversion when running on hardware that wasn't designed for native FP8.

And that is what made me start looking at RDNA4.

A 9070 XT is a completely different situation.

RDNA4 has native FP8 matrix support, including E4M3, which is exactly the format I'm finding in the DLSSNR workload.

Obviously you cannot take an NVIDIA CUBIN and execute it on a Radeon. CUDA is not going to magically run on AMD.

But that isn't really the interesting question anymore.

Once you know the model graph, weights, scales, tensor layouts and swizzles, the CUDA kernels are just one implementation of the math.

The heavy parts I'm seeing are things like QKV, projections, attention, Swin/ViT blocks and matrix multiplications.

There is nothing inherently "CUDA" about:

FP8 E4M3 matrix x FP8 E4M3 matrix -> accumulator

On RDNA4 that could be implemented against its native FP8 matrix hardware instead.

So instead of trying to make nvngx_dlssnr.dll execute its NVIDIA kernels on AMD, the more interesting approach would be:

DLSSNR weights / graph

- repack the existing E4M3 weights for RDNA4
- execute the heavy FP8 operations natively through HIP, rocWMMA or Vulkan
- reproduce the smaller normalization, attention, residual and layout operations
- feed the resulting neural frame back into the graphics pipeline

At that point you're not emulating CUDA.

You're just giving the same neural network another backend.

And because the current DLSSNR model already appears to be FP8 oriented, I don't think the idea of a 9070 XT ending up in roughly the same performance class as a 5070 for this particular neural pass is crazy at all.

It might even be a very good fit for RDNA4.

I'm not saying I have a 9070 XT benchmark. I don't.

But after getting this running on a 2070 Max Q and seeing what the kernels are actually doing, the limitation looks much more like a software/backend problem than a fundamental hardware problem.

The 174 launches also don't mean 174 completely unique kernels need to be rewritten. A lot of them appear to be repeated instances of a much smaller set of operations with different tensor sizes.

I'd be very interested to know if anyone with a 9070 XT/R9700 has already looked at the DLSSNR E4M3 weights, scales or swizzles, or played with similar FP8 transformer kernels on gfx1201.

Because after seeing this on Turing, RDNA4 suddenly looks like a very interesting target.

I upgraded from the mighty GTX 1080 Ti. 😁

After 8 years with my RTX 2080 Super, the time has finally come to upgrade my PC! 🔥
Specs:
RX 9070 XT
Ryzen 7 7800X3D
32GB RAM

When I saw 5060ti's at $900+ on the market and 9070xt's at 750 still I knew it would be stupid not to upgrade. Sold my 5060ti for over 800, Doubled my power usage, doubled my fps lol

Just thought I'd post more pictures just in case anyone was wondering! (yes this is real)

Hello everyone. I wanted to talk a little about something and wanted to see what people think. Bear with the wall of text please.

There's something about RDNA 4 that reminds me a lot of NVIDIA's Turing generation.

Right now most of the discussion around the RX 9000 series is about how the 9070 XT compares to the 5070 Ti, whether FSR 4 is finally good enough, and how AMD is doing in ray tracing. Those are all fair questions, but I think there's a bigger story here.

I've seen people compare RDNA 4 to NVIDIA's RTX 20/Turing generation, and at first I thought that was a bit of a stretch. But the more I think about it, the more the comparison makes sense.

When NVIDIA launched Turing, the first generation of RTX wasn't exactly a runaway success. Ray tracing was extremely demanding and early DLSS wasn't anything like the DLSS we're familiar with today. But Turing introduced something incredibly important which is the hardware foundation NVIDIA needed to build an entirely new rendering ecosystem around AI and ray tracing. The Tensor Cores gave NVIDIA the foundation for DLSS, while the RT Cores gave them dedicated hardware for ray tracing, and NVIDIA spent the following generations getting dramatically better at using that hardware.

I think RDNA 4 could represent a similar turning point for AMD. They already had AI accelerators with RDNA 3, so this isn't a perfect 1:1 comparison with Turing, but RDNA 4 significantly improves AMD's AI hardware and we're now seeing AMD build major gaming features around it.

The obvious example is FSR 4. Older FSR relied much more heavily on traditional shader-based techniques, while FSR 4 uses machine learning for image reconstruction. And that's what makes this interesting to me. FSR 4 is absolutely a starting point.

Think about where DLSS started compared to where NVIDIA has taken it since Turing. If AMD keeps improving its ML models and continues developing the hardware over the next few generations, RDNA 4 could become the foundation for much more than just better upscaling: better frame generation, better ray reconstruction, better image reconstruction, and potentially entirely new AI-assisted rendering techniques.

That's why I'm starting to think the "AMD's RTX 20 series moment" comparison isn't actually that crazy. The RX 9000 series might not necessarily be remembered as the generation that changed everything. It could be remembered as the generation that gave AMD the hardware foundation to start changing things.

Now obviously this is me just speculating and speaking to the wind, and AMD still has a lot to prove, but I'm curious what everyone else thinks.

Gigabyte Radeon RX 9070 Gaming 16GB or XFX Swift AMD Radeon RX 9070 OC 16GB
The price difference is 30 USD (Gigabyte is the cheaper one)

These are my 2023 notes back when I first built my pc and wanted to dream about upgrading, I thought 3 years later prices would fall and yeah the $300 7900xt was prob (def) a scam.

I'm running RX 9070 GRE. The pro driver works with it. My use case is more video editing than gaming. So I should use a Pro driver right?

Will it be more stable for the productivity side of the area?

Or should I stick to AMD Adrenaline?

Hey everyone,

I'm dealing with a really frustrating performance issue in Valorant and could use some help figuring out the root cause. I'm getting constant screen tearing, and whenever it happens, the in-game performance graph shows a direct spike in CPU Wait GPU Time.

The weirdest part is the inconsistency. The game ran perfectly fine for a very long time. Then this issue randomly started, eventually went away on its own (I'm not even sure what fixed it—maybe a background update or a driver change?), but now it is back again and tearing constantly.

Here are my specs:

• CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 9600X
• GPU: AMD Radeon RX 9070
• Motherboard: Gigabyte B850
• RAM: [16x1 6000mhz expo enbaled]
• Monitor/Refresh Rate: [2k 180hz]

I originally wanted to get the ASUS Prime RX 9070 OC for 770 usd from Amazon (Germany) but it went out of stock and when it came back it was 100 USD more expensive.
So I found the XFX version for 810 USD. I know it’s really expensive- the card itself is 650 USD but the VAT and shipping comes up to 170 more. It’s still the cheapest option in my country (Azerbaijan)
So now I have a dilemma- the reason i want the OC version is because I don’t want to upgrade for the next 4 years, so should I bite the bullet and get the OC version now or get the GRE version and when prices go down sell it and upgrade?

I started of with an RX 7600, and yesterday I finally made the decision to upgrade to the RX 9070 XT, I bought it along side an OLED monitor. The difference is insane, I can play any game with high settings at a good fps, compared to when I had my 7600, everything just feels so much better now.

Super happy with the outcome. This is a massive upgrade from my Ryzen 5 4500 / RX580 pc. Second pic is my old beast.

- Gpu: Asus Radeon 9070xt Prime 16gb
- Cpu : Ryzen 7 7800X3D
- Ram: G Skill 32gb DDR5
- Case : Lian Li O11 Dynamic Mini V2
- Psu: Corsair Rm850x
- Ssd: Inland 1tb m.2
- Fans : Lian Li Inf
- Aio : Lian Li Hydroshift II

edit: spelling

I got 9070xt and 5600x3d and Cooler Master Q300l case with lot of fans. 3 from front and bottom intake and the top and back exhaust. My CPU temps are horrible to the point that my games go to 30fps and shuttering.

I have the Thermalright low profile cooler and ordered the dual tower ps 120 SE. Do you think this will solve the issue? Or the issue is the case? I love matx builds so not sure if anyone have other recommendations. I had the same problem with the 5600X

Just bought a reaper and still didn’t install it on my PC but wanted to understand what do I need to do right after installation?

System: Gigabyte RX 9070 XT · Ryzen 7 9800X3D · ASUS ROG STRIX X670E-A GAMING WIFI · 2×32GB DDR5-6000 (Corsair CL30)

The symptom — maybe this is you: - Random driver timeouts: screen blanks for a second and recovers, or a game dies with a D3D11 "device hung / device removed — call GetDeviceRemovedReason" dialog. - Windows logs them as VIDEO_TDR / LiveKernelReports WATCHDOG dumps, faulting module amdkmdag.sys (the AMD display driver). - Happened on every driver I tried (26.3.1, 26.7.1, 26.8.1), clean DDU each time, both driver-only and with Adrenalin. - Looked correlated with overlays (Adrenalin / Steam / in-game FPS counters) — but I also got them idle at the desktop with everything stock, so overlays turned out to be a red herring.

What did NOT fix it: driver rollbacks + DDU, going driver-only, killing every overlay, a −500 MHz max-clock offset, reseating the power cable. Months of it.

What actually fixed it (the part I'd never have tried first): system memory, not the GPU. On my old BIOS, DOCP/EXPO wouldn't train stably, so I'd been limping along on a manual memory tune that booted but clearly wasn't truly stable. I updated my motherboard BIOS (newer AGESA), which wiped my manual settings — so I set memory up fresh, and this time DOCP trained cleanly at full DDR5-6000. I verified it with a full MemTest86 run (multiple passes, 0 errors).

Since then: zero GPU crashes — including with the overlays I thought were the trigger — through hours of Mount & Blade II: Bannerlord and Path of Exile 2, the exact games that used to crash it. Stable for about 27 hours so far and still watching it closely. It really looks like unstable RAM was surfacing as GPU driver-timeouts downstream.

If you're fighting this, before you RMA the card: 1. Run MemTest86 (bootable, several passes). Any errors → your problem is memory, not the GPU. 2. Update your motherboard BIOS to the latest AGESA — RAM training got noticeably better for me on the newer one. 3. Redo DOCP/EXPO on the new BIOS and re-test stability.

Honest caveats: - This is what worked on my system, and I've only been stable ~27 hours so far — early days, not a guaranteed cure. - Some of these cards genuinely are defective — driver-timeouts across every driver is also a known bad-silicon symptom and plenty of people have legitimately RMA'd. If your memory tests clean and it still crashes, that's a real signal to pursue a warranty claim. - I can't prove memory was the whole story — but the correlation was strong and the fix has held so far.

Hi guys, you might have encountered this problem while playing Ghost Tsushima on pc. I found the solution thanks to a fellow redditor called "wildcat002".

All credits goes to wildcat002

PLEASE NOTE: I do not claim any credit for this fix. My intention is to simply to help fellow gamers who want to fix this annoying bug. I also want to add that I cannot be held responsible if this solution does not solve your problem. Proceed at your own risk and follow the steps carefully. Any small mistake could jeopardize the whole process.

This is the manual that I made myself for anyone to follow.

Step 1: DOWNLOAD DXVK (download the latest version)

Go to your browser and past this link: https://github.com/doitsujin/dxvk/releases/tag/v3.1

Step 1.1: Scroll down and click the dxvk-31.tar.gz link to DOWNLOAD the file.

Step 1.2: Once it downloads, right click > “Extract All” (if needed)

note: if you the file doesn’t appear instantly in the folder’s app, please go to the browser where you got your file and look it up on the download section

note: it might ask you where to open the .gz file. You should only open in the files application

Step 1.3: After this double click the file .gz > click the folder “dxvk-3.1“ > click the folder “x64” > check for the file called “dxgi.dll

Leave it for now and proceed to download another file from GITHUB

Step 2: DOWNLOAD vkd3d-proton (download the latest version

Go to your browser again and paste this link: https://github.com/HansKristian-Work/vkd3d-proton/releases/tag/v3.0.1

Step 2.1: Same procedures: scroll down > click the download link called vkd3d-proton-3.0.1.zst to download the file

Step 2.2: right click “Extract All” > you’ll see the folder that is now called vkd3d-proton-3.0.1

Step 2.3: double click the folder > select and double click folder x64

Step 3: copy all the three files to the game file

Step 3.1: Now you need to find the file of your game and double click the folder of Ghost of Tsushima. All you need to do now is to and paste all these 3 files that we recently downloaded:

1. dxgi.dll
2. d3d12.dll
3. d3d12.dll

Step 3.2: Now, return to dxvk-3.1.tar.gz > dxvk-3.1 > x64 folder > find the file dxgi.dll > right click and copy

Step 3.3: Go to the folder of Ghost of Tsushima again > click the folder > press on an empty space and paste the dxgi.dll file.

Step 3.4: Now let’s copy the two files that we need from the folder vkd3d-proton-3.0.1 > click it again > “x64” > find: d3d12.dll and d3d12core.dll

copy both:

Step 3.5: Same procedure, go to the Ghost Of Tsushima folder again and paste these files

Final Step: The most important (without this, the game won’t launch)

Note: This is the most important step that you should do or else, the game won’t even launch

Now, you should stay on the folder of the Ghost of Tsushima (same level as the .exe file)

click on an empty space > right click > create a .text document and name it dxvk.txt > save it > rename it again to > dxvk.conf

now you have to open this file on Windows Notepad app paste the following:

dxvk.enableAsync=True
dxvk.gplAsyncCache=True
dxvk.enableGraphicsPipelineLibrary=True
dxgi.customDeviceId = 24c9
dxgi.customVendorId = 1002
dxgi.hideNvidiaGpu = False
dxgi.emulateUMA = False
dxvk.enableMemoryDefrag=False

Save it (CTRL + S)

Close the file app and try launching your game again

Salut tout le monde,

Je viens demander de l’aide parce que je commence vraiment à ne plus savoir quoi tester avec ma RX 7800 XT.

Depuis que j’ai monté mon PC, j’ai parfois un crash en plein jeu. Ce n’est pas juste un retour sur le bureau ou un crash du pilote graphique. L’écran devient complètement noir, le jeu est figé et le PC ne répond plus du tout.

J’ai essayé Win + Ctrl + Shift + B, mais ça ne fait absolument rien. Le clavier et la souris ne répondent plus non plus, donc au final je n’ai pas d’autre choix que de maintenir le bouton Power pour éteindre le PC.

Le plus bizarre, c’est que le problème arrive après un certain temps de jeu et sur plusieurs jeux différents. Ce n’est donc pas vraiment lié à un jeu en particulier.

Ma configuration :

GPU : RX 7800 XT

CPU : Ryzen 7 9700X

Carte mère : ASUS ROG STRIX B850-F GAMING WIFI

RAM : Crucial DDR5-6000 EXPO

Alimentation : ASUS TUF Gaming 850W Gold

Ventirad : Thermalright Assassin X 120 SE

Windows 11

Écran : 1920×1080, 75 Hz

J’ai déjà essayé plusieurs choses.

J’ai d’abord désactivé EXPO pour voir si le problème venait de la RAM. La RAM tourne donc maintenant aux paramètres par défaut, mais le problème est toujours là.

J’ai aussi mis à jour le BIOS de la carte mère. Ça a l’air d’avoir amélioré un peu les choses. Avant la mise à jour, le crash pouvait arriver beaucoup plus rapidement. Après la mise à jour, j’ai réussi à jouer pendant plus de deux heures avant que le problème se reproduise. Mais malheureusement, il finit toujours par arriver.

J’ai également changé le câble PCIe de la carte graphique. Là aussi, j’ai eu l’impression que le comportement avait changé pendant un moment, mais le crash est finalement revenu.

Pour le moment, je n’ai fait aucun undervolt ni overclocking sur le GPU. Je préfère garder la carte complètement stock pendant mes tests.

Mon écran est seulement en 75 Hz, donc les solutions que je vois souvent du genre « baisse ton écran de 170 Hz à 120 Hz » ne s’appliquent pas vraiment à mon cas.

Je commence donc à me demander si je n’ai pas un problème avec la carte graphique elle-même, la VRAM, les pilotes AMD, l’alimentation ou éventuellement le PCIe.

J’ai aussi vu beaucoup de discussions concernant le MPO (Multi-Plane Overlay) et le fait de le désactiver pour résoudre certains problèmes d’écran noir avec les GPU AMD.

Mais est-ce que le MPO peut vraiment provoquer un freeze complet comme celui que j’ai ? Dans mon cas, ce n’est pas seulement l’affichage qui plante : Windows entier semble complètement bloqué et je dois forcer l’arrêt du PC.

Est-ce que quelqu’un ici a déjà eu exactement le même problème avec une RX 7800 XT ?

Si oui, qu’est-ce qui a finalement réglé le problème pour vous ?

https://reddit.com/link/1w49t7y/video/mhohfzlkdwmh1/player

Recently tried AMD ray regen via optiscaler, works fine except this flickering that mostly shows up on npcs. I tried changing the frame gen but it still shows up. Any suggestions would be much appreciated

Hi all, just wanted to check if my PC build performance was normal for Fortnite. I’ve been seeing a lot of benchmarks and forums with people getting much better performance than I am.

I’m averaging 110-160 FPS on Fortnite (higher FPS in solos) using DX12 with everything low except view distance as far and 3D at 100% at 1080p

I’m getting 90-100% CPU usage at around 70-75°C and 20-65% GPU usage at around 60°C.

My specs are the following:

CPU: Ryzen 5 5600x
GPU: ASRock Radeon 6750 XT Challenger Pro
Ram: 16gb Single Channel
MB: Gigabyte B550 UD AC
Monitor: 1080p

P.S. I have tried performance mode with all low settings and 3D at 100% averaging 180-200 FPS at 1080p

I want to order the XFX Swift AMD Radeon RX 9070 OC 16GB from Amazon (Germany), the product itself is 650 USD but the VAT and shipping comes up to 170 more. It’s still the cheapest option in my country (Azerbaijan)