r/antiai • u/SillyMountain3147 • 8h ago
AI News đď¸ Australia Just Said: No More AI Songs
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u/Express_Ad5083 7h ago
It should have been a total AI ban tbh, that is a step in the right direction but still not enough
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u/MourningWallaby 7h ago
"AI" is too broad of a term to ban. even 10 years ago when google gave a highlighted answer to simple questions, that was "AI" powered. NPC's in video games have utilized "AI" for pathfinding and decision making for decades. using keyframes in animation and your computer fills the gap between an extended and curled finger is AI.
You're thinking of LLMs and Generative AI, not the very concept of AI.
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u/KazumaKat 4h ago
If we took the broad AI term at face value, you'd have to ban pretty much the existing, human-employing industry as a whole as there are such things as machine-driven beat generators, artificial waveform adjustment (this goes as far back as the 70's too), and pretty much any form of digital recording (as even lossless/raw data recording relies on algorithmic encoding just so you dont end up with hundreds of gigabytes of raw waveform data for mere seconds). Hell it would also mean we'd have to cut out entire genres that use any form of electronics in their creation.
The ban has to be precise, else you will see a lot of whataboutism being actively weaponized on all sides over this, for or against.
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u/TacoShower 4h ago
What scares me is I feel as if itâs already too late. Pandoraâs box has been opened. The entire planet could make LLMs and Generative AI illegal tomorrow but the models exist locally on millions of PCs around the world. How would you enforce it? Would you allow government monitoring of your PC at all times? The time to make it illegal was the early days, when AI could make a horrific video of will smith eating spaghetti. Before the billions of dollars were funneled in to it.
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u/Captain-i0 2h ago
Oh yeah, it's far too late if your goal was no AI. Too many people are swimming upstream against this issue in the wrong place.
The only fight people need to be concerned at this point with is open source AI vs. corporate AI. It is absolutely impossible to shut it all down, but we can make sure that it doesn't only belong to Google, Meta, Microsoft, etc...
Support locally generated AI over corporate ownership. At least those big corps will struggle to profit as much off it as long as it can be run locally.
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u/BLOOOR-BACKINTHEDOOR 1h ago
In Australia we've been pushing for Internet censorship and forcing use of I.D. and the centre-right (as opposed to the hard right parties) goverment pictured has introduced Government A.I.
We need data protection, we went the wrong way on "metadata retention laws" 20 years ago and how we treat data and the internet in Australia is something we're on alarm about and worried what the Labor government mean by what they're doing and who's recommending it.
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u/TheoNullDrei 44m ago
Buddy, they couldn't ban this shit even if they wanted to. All of these laws are there to virtue-signal to dumb people who don't understand the basics of generative AI.
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u/MalaysiaTeacher 7h ago
It has plenty of uses in the right circumstances, would be industrial suicide to ban it outright. Source- being able to maintain a business which couldn't exist without AI coding.
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u/Last-Difficulty4265 7h ago
The world turned just fine four years ago. Sorry about your shitty business, but we would be better off without it.
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u/OverallResolve 5h ago
Letâs say goodbye to the internet, printing presses, shipbuilding, animal husbandry, and a whole raft of other technologies then. After all the world turned just fine in the past.
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u/Major-Entertainer-40 8h ago
When I saw this on the news I was so happy... I was genuinely so pissed when that AI cover got on the charts. Glad they're trying to do something to keep real human artists on top, even if we're not entirely sure how effectively they'll filter this
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u/BellaBlossom06 7h ago
when you call my nameâŚ
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u/0202_tihssitidder 4h ago
YouTube is now full of AI songs. Example: "Amy Winehouse inspired music".
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u/Mr_C_Baxter 2h ago
most of them are probably shit and I usually don't listen to them, but yesterday I randomly found a system of a down acoustic album that is just unbelievably good, although I believe it's a human AI workflow, not fully AI
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u/Absolute--Batman 6h ago
Meanwhile they support Isreel and punishes most people that says Free Palestine.
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u/UnholyDemigod 4h ago
What country are you from? I just wanna bring up something bad yours does that has nothing to do with this topic
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u/LegoRacers3 4h ago
Officially the government has condemned isreal isreals actions. Unofficially⌠Australian government loves two things. Sucking up to corporations and sucking up to foreign nations
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u/Murky-Relation481 3h ago
I've always thought their stance on pornography was hilarious. Women can't have boobs too small in porn lest they be confused with a child, but labial lips and pubic hair are considered too lewd and need to be airbrushed to appear more child like. Feels like there is a lot of contention in their morality laws.
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u/LegoRacers3 3h ago
Yeah uh donât know where that idea comes from, thatâs not really a thing here. Neither are banned
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u/Murky-Relation481 2h ago
It's not specific laws but your censorship regime does actively go after adult women who appear more young, see this fairly comprehensive post on stack exchange about the rumors and the practical realities of the Australian censorship boards: https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/15790/did-australia-ban-small-breasts-pornography
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u/LegoRacers3 2h ago
I donât really feel like being Australiasplained by someone who doesnât live here. I will just say thatâs a non issue here
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u/Murky-Relation481 1h ago
Ah yes, because no one outside of Australia can be aware or more knowledgeable about a specific thing in Australia than some random Australian online.
I mean that's cool though, keep your head down under.
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u/sum_dum_fuck 6h ago
The phrase "from the river to the sea" was banned in Queensland
Fucking outrageous
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u/morboislegend 47m ago
And it's in the lyrics from a song by John Farnham. Written in the late 80s. It's a love song. About love. And it's banned now. FUCK
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u/Peter_Mansbrick 5h ago
Are you lost? How is this relevant to the discussion happening here?
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u/Lukewill 4h ago
Yeah, kind of annoying when people will use anything as a chance to discuss politics. Even if I agree with it, it's annoying.
You can praise one decision without having to bring up something irrelevant that you don't like
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u/ojdhpda 8h ago
based Aussies
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u/Ready-Will-7042 2h ago
Too bad no one cares about the charts, only whats recommended by the Spotify algorithm
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u/Gutymut 7h ago
As an Aussie, fuck yeh mate!
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u/sadcabbagehours 7h ago
streaming platforms next please
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u/CaptainHubble 5h ago
clears throat
VIDEO GAMES NEXT
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u/sadcabbagehours 3h ago
yes
thank you
the amount of AI slop gooner games i see on the nintendo eshop every time i browse stuff on sale is insane
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u/BlackPointPL 7h ago
This headline is pure rage-bait nonsense. Slapping the Prime Ministerâs face on the graphic makes it look like a federal law, but the Australian government didn't ban a single thing. Itâs just ARIA-a private industry body-updating their internal chart rules so fully synthetic tracks canât rank, exactly like the Grammys did. AI music is still completely legal to make, upload, stream, and monetize anywhere in Australia, so framing a private music chart policy as a nationwide ban is pathetic clickbait
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u/pastajewelry 7h ago
Since AI uses public domain works to create things and its work doesn't have a true owner, it shouldn't be eligible for any awards.
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u/intelligent_rat 6h ago
Most models are not solely trained on public domain works, a lot of them in fact are trained on copyrighted material without permission from the copyright holders.
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u/pastajewelry 6h ago
Oh, I know! But if they claim that to avoid the work being seen as public domain, they'd have to tell on themselves.
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u/geniice 4h ago
Since AI uses public domain works to create things and its work doesn't have a true owner, it shouldn't be eligible for any awards.
Counterpoint would be that charts should reflect what people are paying for/listening to. If that is Sumer is icumen in then it doesn't matter that it predates the concept of copyright.
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u/Chains_Of_The_Sea 7h ago
The amount of clickbait articles about this in the past two days is annoying.
The Australian Record Industry Association (ARIA) has tightened the guidelines around what constitutes AI or not.
Nothing more, nothing less
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u/No_Welder7908 7h ago
Who will check them? r/isthisAI ?
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u/cannedbeef255 7h ago
i feel like if a long blows up enough to end up on the charts, someone will notice.
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u/1000scarstare 6h ago
Oh man and just after I spent weeks and weeks crafting the prompt "make me a hit australian song." Ah well back to the drawing board, I mean not literally I cant draw of course. This ai stuff is super hard! /s
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u/timpkmn89 7h ago
Wouldn't it have made more sense to post a link, instead of a picture of just the headline?
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u/hamonabone 7h ago
Last night, one of my friends a jazz listener sent me some hideous Ai jazz. It was hard to listen to in a subtle grotesque way. He caught it and notified me a few minutes later. Afterwards, I went out to a bar. Ai jazz was music playing off the computer YouTube selection. Where I live nobody ever plays jazz at a bar besides me. I asked to change it and the manager said, ok, when it finishes. We are in new times.
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u/SpaceShipRat 4h ago
AI music does these melodies a human would never do, but at least with repetition within a song you know to expect it. I can imagine in jazz of all things, where it's all about coming up with different riffs, it would be atrocious to have it always go slightly askew.
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u/Aggressive-Access995 6h ago
Twist plot, this is ai generated
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u/lukasbradley 5h ago
All of these templated images are... the backdrop is from Wikipedia, the fonts and highlighting are all the same across all the subs.... OP hides comments and posts.
It's all the same slop, in an anti-slop subreddit.
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u/Ibanez97 6h ago
Only good thing we've done with AI. Don't you worry, we still have data centers and job losses and allll the plans to be America part 2..
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u/roundbalconies-uiuc 6h ago
Completely unrelated, human slop music still charts but half of its listens disappear
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u/BiDudeCO 6h ago
There should be laws saying any AI generated media would be public free use and make 0 profit. We aren't going to be able to get rid of it entirely, but that's one way to deter people from making money off if it.
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u/Ifyouliveinadream 6h ago
I don't fully agree with this. Banning pure AI music is good but the new law says the vocals have to be preformed by a human. Theres quite a few songs that don't use AI yet have non human vocals.
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u/ElectricSliderz 4h ago
Since musicians are notoriously non rebellious Iâm sure not one popular one is going to make an entirely AI created album and dare them to not chart it. Not saying itâs a good thing but tell these types to not do something and itâll be the only thing they want to do.
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u/DBrowny 4h ago
Yeah I'm going to have to stop you there, because Australia is as pathetic as always when it comes to actually doing things to fix problems properly.
The ban is for 100% AI generated songs where the creator admits it. That's it. The creator can simply lie about it and get away with it because there is no mechanism to actually determine what is and isn't AI, only if the creator admits it. Secondly, you are perfectly free to use AI to generate all of the lyrics and all of the music. This you can admit and it's all good. You can't however use AI to generate the vocals, that's the ban.
Always remember when dealing with Australia, we never actually fix problems, we just pretend to fix them and then say if you don't vote/support whoever is moral grandstanding, then their competition is going to make it worse.
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u/Sea_Split8730 4h ago
I like how that picture includes an old man in a suit pointing towards something, so all the midwits know it's a smart idea they should all applaud mindlessly, because it comes from <authority> and <authority> said the opinion is good, because it is the <authority>
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u/Microtom_ 3h ago edited 3h ago
Contemporary music is pure trash though. I'd rather listen to AI music. I create my own songs designed to my preferences and that's pretty much all I listen to. The new happyshrimp model from Alibaba is good enough.
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u/DickManning 3h ago
Imagine if an artist from the 80s suddenly had all their songs removed from the top charts because of this
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u/Acceptable-Print-254 3h ago
You just have the AI compose a Garage Band, Sound Forge, Logic Pro, etc. file and prove 'your' work.
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u/Eatmyshinymetalass- 3h ago
If it wasnât for the bugs and weather then I would totally live in Australia.
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u/Always-a-Doomer 3h ago
lol Proais are literally shaking right now
"How will I get my slop out there?!"
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u/Wintersgambit 3h ago
i get the anti ai stuff but if it was popular then it should get to be there. you are ironically artifically removing consumer choice
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u/TheShenanegous 3h ago
More power to Australia, but I have to ask the annoying question. How can you tell? Where is the line drawn, is it no AI-assist tools, or just no fully AI generated?
How can you tell if, for example, a melody is AI generated and words are written by a human to it?
It seems awfully complicated for something relatively unimportant like music charts.
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u/Legitimate-Arm9438 2h ago
What the hell is an official music chart? A state controlled, gouvermental approved, one and only music chart?
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u/Responsible-Sound253 2h ago
Slop virtue signaling.
It's easy to ban this stuff when it's objectively terrible, lets see if the guardrails hold in a couple years when someone makes a catchy enough song with AI that starts playing everywhere.
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u/Junior_Breakfast_105 2h ago
Ok, good, but how are they going to enforce it? And how much AI has to be used? You can write the music and have it played by AI, you can make AI write it but playng it yourself, and thousand other combos...
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u/Eazy12345678 2h ago
Australia is lame. i like some ai music. imagine your government telling you what you can like. sounds like a dictatorship.
no one tells me what i can and can not enjoy or like
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u/i_am_a_real_boy__ 2h ago
it sounds like they've just decided to pretend ai music is less popular than it actually is. That's a questionable victory.
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u/texasrigger 1h ago
Who looks at charts anymore? I don't think this will actually do anything to curb AI music production. I'm for it, I just don't think it is going to accomplish anything.
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u/Dry-Efficiency4373 1h ago
our music charts are culturally irrelevant on the world stage and our country stans boomer music from decades ago, this is a nothing story
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u/bluemindf0ln 52m ago
This is a bandage for a deeper problem. Why would a completely manufactured piece of music be elevated to a position above all others? Because that's what the music industry has been doing since its start.
It's the real issue facing art, and it's been a problem for a long time. The corporate stranglehold on all art has trained modern audiences to expect and even appreciate derivative mediocre slop. The reason AI generated art is so appealing to so many is because it is genuinely as good as, if not better than, the majority of art they would have otherwise seen. Because it's all terrible, homogenized, corporate-catered content.
Pretending like this crap is a new problem brought on by AI is intellectually lazy. If you actually care about art being created by humans, you should address how it's steadily been removed from the hands of humans for the past century.
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u/RedditAIPornUsername 47m ago
Albo (Our Prime Minister, the guy in the pic) didn't ban AI generated songs, it was done by ARIA, which is the music industry association.
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u/Dunge 33m ago
Man I opened YouTube in incognito mode. Searched for ONE real japanese girl band I loved, then looked at the suggestion YouTube offered. 9/10 are AI generated music and thumbnails. Wtf. And the worse part is, they got 500k views, nearly more than the amazing original song I first searched for. Some people in our society are weird.
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u/mrfoxesite-2377 7h ago
Also one of the first countries to implement age certification checks.
Still, a step in the right direction.
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u/thekeffa 6h ago edited 5h ago
The sad thing about this is that it makes little difference in a lot of cases outside of mainstream music.
AI music was pretty unlikely to make it into mainstream charts. The general population are right onto that crap and you only have to listen to it to realise and say "Oh that sounds like complete dogshit". Mainstream artists are probably only ever going to use it extremely sparingly, if at all.
The real problem is in niche production of music.
Take my favourite genre. Synthwave (Also known as Retrowave when it uses vibes and themes from the 80's sort of era).
There aren't many breakout mainstream musicians in the genre (The Weeknd being the closest thing to an exception I think) and it is mostly published on online platforms like YouTube, Spotify and Soundcloud. AI has basically gone and destroyed the genre. It's a very easy music genre for AI to reproduce and although it sounds like crap, it's just passable enough that people are pumping out AI created synthwave music like there is no tomorrow and its pretty soul destroying. Trying to find the human made stuff on these platforms while wading through a ton of AI shit has become so exhausting, I won't even look at most things created in the past two years. It's easy to tell it apart, but it's hard to wade through the crap to get to the real stuff if that makes sense.
YouTube is kind of in a difficult place when it comes to this as they aren't specifically a music publisher, but SoundCloud and Spotify need to take a stand on this as well. Or at least be forced to with the same kind of law.
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u/XXLPenisOwner1443 8h ago
This is an official declaration that AI songs are indistinguishable from human songs, and human protections need to be put in place so they aren't outcompeted in the market.
Crazy.
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u/New_Court9352 7h ago
The problem isn't that they're good, its that they cost nothing to make and are spammed out there en masse. Do we really need more spam?
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u/GallantSystem 47m ago
its not about being out competed.
Music must not only sound good it also has to be "cool" to the person listening to it for them to like it. There has been studies on this - people like music less if theyre told its AI before listening to it. Thats because its not cool to them.
its not a coincidence you find professors often listening to jazz/classical, farmers listening to country, weebs listening to anime music and miku, etc. These genres feel cool to their respective listeners. its not just about the sound. A lot of people are drawn to the real artists as well - people love the human musicians on a personal level.
So, to the benefit of most people, AI music is simply being banned from the chart. This protects the chart's reputation, because the people using it will know its only real music. People can absolutely like a song until they find out its AI. Pro-AI people think this is a gotcha, but its really not. Its just evidence people don't like AI music.
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u/The-Diamond-Dog 5h ago
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u/XXLPenisOwner1443 3h ago
I don't think it's even possible for me to identify myself more as a human.
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u/JacksonGhost1963 6h ago
so i wonder - no 'fake' music - will this also include any song using auto tune? or a drum machine? or programs to snap to the beat?
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u/ThatUsrnameIsAlready 7h ago
How far we going back? All the autotune stuff counts - right?
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u/1000scarstare 6h ago
How is auto tune like generative ai?
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u/ThatUsrnameIsAlready 6h ago
How is it not? Someone wrote the mutilating algorithm by hand instead of baking slop?
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u/1000scarstare 6h ago
autotune is an effect, like a vocoder or reverb or chorus. an effect you can adjust to use in a subtle way or over the top way. it still needs a human vocal performance to work. you may or may not LIKE the effect but its a tool that is quite a bit different than typing "make me a song" into an LLM imo.
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u/ManInCripplingDebt 4h ago
Tell me you don't know how to make music without telling me you don't know how to make music.
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u/JimJimmery 4h ago
No. That's part of instrumentation as are synthesizers and effect pedals. A human is still required to create the music. Generative AI just copies human created art based on prompts. There is no creativity involved.
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u/stillfinding_myself 8h ago
nice one for the land down under