r/bninfantsleep 15d ago

Resources What is Biologically Normal Infant Sleep?

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This group has grown a lot - we are at 15k members and 29.2k unique visitors per week. That's a LOT of people. So first, yay because when I first joined the moderator team, this group was much smaller. We have grown a lot, which means more parents are being informed on what is biologically normal for an infant and how they can support their babies and themselves at night. This also means that there are thousands of different people commenting and offering ideas (and we have people who are both here and in r/sleeptrain and don't recommend the CIO aspect of sleep training but the culture of sleep training does find its way into many comments). 

So let's jump into what biologically normal infant sleep is, and what it isn’t. I'm a definition person so let's start with a definition of biologically normal.

In researching, I have stumbled across this (very wordy, I'm sorry I did try to parse it down) definition. Source

Meanings of the term normal coalesce into two categories. The first is descriptive and references measures of a trait's central tendency and variation within a population... In this descriptive sense, normal might refer to the most common trait, having an average measure, or being in the middle of a distribution... The second meaning of normal encompasses normative views about a trait. These are judgments that are culturally informed and vary across social groups. To be normal is to be okay, to have characteristics that fall within an acceptable or desirable range, which is defined by ideas about what traits should be like. Variants that fall outside this distribution may be judged negatively, or seen as abnormal, deviant, unacceptable, or somehow not quite right. 

The first category has to do with averages within a population. This would be the average amount of sleep for an age range, this would be the average age of sleeping through the night, this would be the average age of the circadian rhythm starting to “come online”. These are the things that are easier to define when it comes to infant sleep.

The second category has to do with how we view biologically normal, which is often impacted by our cultural view. This category is harder to define when it comes to infant sleep. 

Dr. Helen Ball, author of How Babies Sleep, talks about this:

How babies sleep is both exceedingly simple and excruciatingly complex. It is simple because it is based on a few straightforward biological principles that affect all babies. It is complex because we have made it so.

Over the past century and a half, in modifying the world to better suit our needs in industrializing, industrialized and now digital-era societies, we have tried to manipulate baby sleep to fit with the rapidly changing nature of adult lives. Our ideas about sleep, and particularly baby sleep, have been influenced and shaped by the socioeconomic pressures, political philosophies, religious values, academic theories and cultural ideologies that have waxed and waned during this time. The mismatch we have created between our babies’ biology and our contemporary lives has caused conflict between parents’ and babies’ needs—now framed as “baby sleep problems”—for which babies are often “treated” using behavioral and clinical interventions.

In addition to the foundations of our evolutionary biology, we have layered many cultural beliefs and practices onto our understanding of baby sleep, which vary hugely from location to location, and over time. Parents’ perceptions and popular discourse in western societies have been influenced by philosophical and sociocultural trends over the past two centuries in more ways than we might realize in response to rapid social and political changes. For clarity I should explain that I am using the term “western society” as more of an ideological descriptor than a geographic one to refer to those societies that exhibit a shared set of beliefs, values, political systems and cultural norms, regardless of whether they are geographically located in the West. These concepts often encompass democracy, capitalism, individualism and human rights. In these societies industrialization, urbanization and medicalization transformed family life and baby care, setting in motion the development of numerous ideas, traditions and expectations about babies, sleep, and the role of parents that many of us are still tethered to. Our recent historical past helps explain where all the myths you’ve ever heard about baby sleep have come from—and the myths you’ve heard will depend on your cultural origins.

Many infant sleep research studies reflect western cultural values and lifestyles, and are what might be called “aspirational,” in that they aspire to find ways to “help” babies to sleep longer, wake less often, settle more quickly, and disturb their parents less.

The culture and history of guidance issued by “experts” for parents in western societies have shaped expectations of how “good” babies should behave and how they are created by “effective” parents while the media (both traditional and social) reinforces simplistic and outdated rules and rigid ideas.

The cultural expectations we have about babies’ sleep habits are often unrealistic, and this makes caring for a new baby unnecessarily challenging.

I could honestly copy/paste that entire book here, it is a really good read and if you read any two books on infant sleep and infant development, I recommend How Babies Sleep by Dr. Helen Ball and The Nurture Revolution by Dr. Greer Kirshenbaum.

So with all of this in mind, let's talk about what is biologically normal from a scientific standpoint and what is biologically normal culturally in western society, and what is biologically normal in this group - as well as the aim of this group.

Scientifically - sleep is two things. Sleep pressure and our circadian rhythm, or body clock (aka Process C). Humans build sleep pressure while awake. Infants have a lower tolerance for sleep pressure, meaning they need to sleep more frequently than adults do. 

Sleep Pressure Graphic

As you can see from this graphic (source: How Babies Sleep, figure 3.4), naps are only intended to relieve some sleep pressure, not to be restorative, deep sleep. This is why worrying about your baby taking a 3 hour nap every day is futile. A roughly 30 minute nap is enough to relieve sleep pressure for a bit, until the next nap. The prescriptive “by this age, babies should be on x number of naps that are y minutes long every day at z time” doesn't work for every baby. That isn't biologically normal because biologically normal has variation, day to day and baby to baby. Dr. Helen Ball writes:

Sleep will happen easily for a baby or child when sleep pressure is high, they are in a calm, relaxed state, and nothing is preventing sleep onset. But sometimes babies and children need help to become calm before sleep pressure can kick in and they can nod off.15 In this situation it can be useful to think about what helps babies become calm and relaxed, and to have a handful of strategies you can use to help your baby unwind. For many babies, physical contact is the preferred option.

One of my PhD students, Lenka Medvecová-Tinková, lives and works in the Czech Republic where she has studied how Czech parents manage bedtime routines for babies and small children. She realized that many parents talked of a concept called *Uspavani* that is culturally widespread in Eastern Europe and appears in numerous fairy tales and historical infant care books. Uspavani means to comfort a child to sleep, and while conducting her PhD at Durham University Lenka realized there was no corresponding concept to Uspavani in the English language, nor in the infant sleep literature.16 So it is unsurprising that parents in English-speaking countries tend to use more distal (noncontact) methods, such as lullabies, music and white noise, to calm babies and help them fall asleep than do Czech parents, who commonly lie with their child, stroke them or cuddle them; physical contact and soothing touch are very effective in dialing down most babies to allow sleep pressure to do its thing.

She even writes about the term “overtired”, which I know almost everyone has heard and if you have been in this sub for any length of time, I'm sure you've seen comments about how “overtired” isn't really a thing. I appreciate how she has posited the term.

When a baby or young child’s sleep pressure is high and the need to sleep is strong, but they are emotionally unable to calm themselves, or they are in a situation where they cannot relax, we may consider them to be “overtired.” In this case it is our job as parents to help them become calm, wind down and relax in preparation for sleep. We can do this in many ways. Physical contact such as cuddling, rocking, stroking or patting works for most neurotypical children; actively removing whatever is blocking the action of sleep pressure, such as excitement, fear, pain or anxiety, and helping babies and children to become calm is the simplest way to help them fall asleep.

The reason “overtired” isn't really a thing is because if an infant has adequate sleep pressure, their nervous system feels secure and safe enough, and they don't have any physical needs, they will sleep if given the opportunity. 

So that's sleep pressure. What about circadian rhythm? We mostly know about this with sleep but this is our body's internal clock and it controls both our sleep and our hunger. This is why we usually eat lunch around the same time every day, why we feel sleepy around the same time, and why having a consistent wake up time is beneficial for everyone. It is not “sleep training lite” to make sure you have a rough wake up time every day, within 15-30 minutes. The infamous 4 month sleep regression progression is when the circadian rhythm starts to come online. Day and night start to actually mean something to our babies. This is why early morning light, high noon light, and evening light can be important for our babies, and some babies are more sensitive to lighting than others. (Side note related to lighting - fluorescent lights imitate high noon lighting and can disrupt our circadian rhythm. I personally cannot stand them and wish they were phased out of use. They are really bad for our health and they are everywhere.) This is also why blackout blinds for naps can disrupt night sleep. This is why you don't really need to “rescue” naps.

So it is very biologically normal that your baby desires physical contact to relax enough to fall asleep. It is biologically normal to sleep longer one day and shorter times the next. It is biologically normal for sleep to fluctuate throughout not just the first year but throughout our entire lives. It is supportive of biologically normal infant sleep to “anchor” the day with a consistent wake up time if you need to. It is supportive of infant sleep to have a routine, breakfast after waking up, lunch around the same time every day, dinner around the same time each day. These things can help your baby, think about how you can get hangry if your dinner comes an hour later than usual. This is not to say that you need to have a strict schedule - rhythms and routines are much different from a regimented schedule that you have to stick to. 

It's also important to note that a big thing I see a lot of parents struggle with is offering their baby too much sleep. If your baby only needs 12 hours total sleep in a 24 hour period and you're trying to do 12 hours overnight and 3 hours of daytime sleep, they aren't going to sleep well because that's 3 hours more sleep than they need in a 24 hour period. This will lead to frequent wakes, fighting sleep, and frustration all around. Sleep training sleep plans, apps like Huckleberry, as well as the general around infant sleep push more sleep than most babies need, which leads parents to thinking they have a "bad" sleeper, when in reality anyone being pushed to sleep more than they need would be "bad" at sleeping.

Now what about the cultural aspect of biologically normal infant sleep? If you've grown up or been living in a western society for any length of time, you've likely been inundated with “sleeping through the night”, “sleep associations”, “bad habits”, “drowsy but awake”, “fuss it out”, etc. We have been told by everyone from pediatricians to TV shows to our family that you have to teach your baby independence and that responding to every cry is just going to make them cry more. Western society has mixed up what is biologically normal and what is convenient for the post-Industrial Revolution world. The 6-6 or 7-7 sleep schedule that babies are “supposed” to be on? Not biologically normal, but convenient for capitalism and it's very pervasive - to the point that so many parents worry that their baby isn't getting enough sleep because they won't sleep 12 hours overnight. The average bedtime in other parts of the world varies by almost 3 hours.

In one large and often-cited online survey, almost 30,000 people (presumed to be parents) completed a baby/toddler sleep survey.27 The respondents lived in 17 large urban communities around the world (Australia, Canada, China, Hong Kong, India, Indonesia, Korea, Japan, Malaysia, New Zealand, Philippines, Singapore, Taiwan, Thailand, United Kingdom, United States, and Vietnam), grouped for comparative purposes into “Asian” and “Western.”28 In Asian countries babies and toddlers had later bedtimes, later rise times, less nighttime sleep and less total sleep than in “Western” countries. Bedtimes for babies and toddlers across the 17 locations varied by almost three hours, from half-past seven in New Zealand to quarter-past ten in Hong Kong, and nighttime sleep duration varied by 1 hour and 40 minutes (11.6 hours in Japan to 13.3 hours in New Zealand), but there were minimal differences in daytime sleep.

Another cultural difference on what is biologically normal is “sleep problems”:

Parents’ perceptions of whether their babies experienced “sleep problems” also varied widely, as did the degree of parental involvement in helping babies and young children fall asleep and stay asleep.29 Very few (4%) children living in “Asian” countries, but many more (57%) in “Western” countries, were expected to fall asleep independently (that is, without a parent or caregiver present). Likewise, very few (2%) parents in “Asian” countries allowed their child to cry themselves to sleep, in comparison with over 15 percent of “Western” parents. This is strongly related to the fact that in “Asian” countries babies and children are much more likely to bed-share (65%) or room-share (88%) with their parents than in “Western” countries (where 12% bed-sharing and 22% room-sharing was reported).

Another piece I found interesting that really shows how much of our “sleep problems” are, for lack of better word, invented:

Dr. Alma Gottlieb’s study of childcare practices among the Beng people of Côte d’Ivoire in West Africa included a detailed account of mother–baby sleep.30 She found little regimentation of when babies slept or fed among the Beng, and no bedtimes or bedtime routines. Beng mothers were not anxious about their babies’ sleep, it just happened. Mothers and others carried babies during regular daily activities with babies falling asleep and waking as the need arose. At night the cloth with which babies were held during the day was untied, and babies breastfed and fell asleep next to their mothers. Nighttime mother–baby co-sleeping was the cultural norm, and breastfeeding and infant sleep were intimately intertwined…

These detailed ethnographic studies reinforce accounts of infant care in widespread locations such as Guatemala, Italy, Spain and rural U.S. Among Mayan families in Guatemala, babies commonly fall asleep in someone’s arms and are taken to bed with their parents, sleeping with their mothers from birth to two or three years of age, or until the birth of their next sibling. Here, sleeping alone is undesirable, and mothers responded with shock and disapproval at the American custom of leaving babies in rooms on their own. Mayan mothers “cannot conceive of any other way to sleep their baby than by their side—and in fact some argue that to separate an infant from its mother for sleep is abusive or neglectful treatment.”32

So why does all of this matter?

Because the stories we tell ourselves matter. Because how we see our infant's sleep impacts how well we handle the biologically normal aspects of it, like waking overnight. Because there has been a misunderstanding about what the purpose of this group is for. This group does not exist to simply offer platitudes “oh mama, this will pass, it's ok, you just have to dig deep and power through”. This group also exists to educate on both scientifically biologically normal infant sleep and the cultural differences that impact us and how we view our babies sleep. I felt like it was appropriate to add in a quote from the creator of this group, u/smilegirlcan, about why she created this group.

Before my daughter was born, I had never heard of biologically normal sleep. I had only heard about infant sleep through the lens of sleep training culture. I was never encouraged to follow my intuition or told what real infant sleep looked like. As I journeyed on my postpartum experience, I noticed there was a huge lack of support places for those who had no interest in sleep training or sleep training culture. It became more and more apparent that sleep training was something that did not sit right for me but I wanted an online community that felt safe to feel this way. I found most parenting groups had accepted sleep training as the norm and any questions or comments outside of that were not accepted/downvoted/deleted. Then came bninfantsleep, an alternative infant sleep space, that encourages moms to follow their intuition and learn about biologically normal infant sleep. A place where no one will tell you to let your baby cry, or self soothe, that they need to be independent, that you are ruining their sleep by cuddling/rocking/holding/feeding them.

This group has morphed into a space that offers parents an alternative to mainstream sleep training, that honors our babies biological and neurological development. It exists to remind you that your baby knows what they need, and your instincts know what your baby needs, better than any app ever will (looking at you, Huckleberry sweet spot).

For some babies, a schedule is what helps them the best. For others, they need to go with the flow. The reason we should be asking for schedules is not to “optimize” our babies but to make sure we aren't expecting more sleep than they need. In general, we shouldn't wake our babies up from naps unless we absolutely have to, as Dr. Greer Kirshenbaum mentions in The Nurture Revolution:

When you follow your baby’s tired cues and allow them to wake up on their own, their brain takes the true amount of sleep that it needs. That often looks like multiple naps of varying lengths, bedtimes that vary in different babies from 6 p.m. to 11 p.m., and morning waking that also varies in different babies from 6 a.m. to 11 a.m.31 I remember when people asked me how many naps my young baby was taking—I didn’t really know. I didn’t count. I watched my baby, put him to sleep when he was tired, let him wake on his own, and watched him again. The number of naps or the length of naps wasn’t in my awareness. As he grew, naps became more predictable. Under two years old my baby went to sleep around 8 p.m., then naps changed and at two years old his bedtime became 10 p.m. That was when he built up enough sleep pressure after his afternoon nap. This is very common, and when babies have later bedtimes we often want them to go to sleep earlier, but that is for us, not their developing brain…. Keep in mind, there is no adult on Earth who is qualified to tell your unique baby when they should be waking up or napping, or to prescribe nap lengths or bedtime. Your baby’s body provides this information. Sleep is vital to their developing brain and it is a fundamental human right; we must give babies the sleep they need. Please unlearn myth 24, There are set bedtimes, wake times, and naptimes for your baby, and replace it with: Your baby’s brain will tell you when they are tired and will take the amount of sleep that it needs to grow.

And a final thought from Dr. Helen Ball in How Babies Sleep, emphasis mine:

Remember, you don’t have to be in charge of their sleep—the biological sleep regulators will make sure they get enough sleep, when they need it. Our job is to get out of the way and let them do their work. Trying to make babies go to sleep according to a predetermined schedule seems to me to be a pointless exercise in working against their circadian biology and sleep pressure.


r/bninfantsleep Feb 23 '26

Resources What is sleep training?

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A question I have seen a lot lately is "is this considered sleep training?" and I wanted to take my son's second nap of the day to write out a post about what we do and don't consider sleep training, because there isn't really one solid definition of sleep training and that can leave a lot of ambiguity when we discuss infant sleep.

I once had a very staunch sleep trainer tell me that if an infant had any sleep associations, they weren't sleep trained. That to have properly done sleep training, you had to be able to set an infant down fully awake in a crib, walk out and close the door, and they just lay down and put themselves to sleep. They may protest cry but you "learn the difference" between a protest cry and a cry for a "real" need. So her definition of sleep training would be:

providing any sleep associations to an infant or giving in to protest cries when all their needs have been met.

This obviously ignores the glaring flaw that comfort is a vital need for everyone, including infants.

The definition of sleep training that Dr. Greer Kirshenbaum uses in The Nurture Revolution is:

Sleep training is the unfounded process of “training” your infant to “sleep independently”—to fall asleep alone, sleep alone through the night and the duration of naps, without getting support from you to go to sleep or back to sleep. It takes various forms, but the most common end goal is to be able to put your infant in their crib, in their own room, and walk out, leaving them alone to fall asleep, usually around 7 p.m., until you come back to get them in the morning, usually around 7 a.m. Sleep training promotes the idea that infant sleep should be predictable and on schedule. Naps should be at exact times of the day and for specific amounts of time, bedtime is at the exact same time each evening, and sleep location is identical for every sleep.

Sleep training sells the idea that sleep is something parents can (and should) control. If you just follow the rules (strict “wake windows,” not “giving in” to your baby’s cries) and buy the right products (swaddles, sleep suits, sound machines, sleep training courses and coaching), your baby will sleep in a predictable and controllable way. That is very appealing when so much of parenting feels beyond our control.

A lot of people who advocate for sleep training do so because they believe that an infant needs to learn independence and that the only way to do that is to force them to be independent, force them to learn to put themselves to sleep. I believe most parents who sleep train truly believe they are doing what is best for their child. Studies have shown however that the most independent children and adults tend to be those who had fierce dependence on a trusted caregiver/caregivers. Infants who learn they have a safe and dependable place to land tend to be more independent over time.

Sleep training is anything that denies a child physical comfort when they are actively asking for comfort, in the hopes that they will stop asking for comfort and go to sleep. This includes pick up put down, the chair method, Taking Cara Babies (who is just repackaged Ferber), Ferber, full extinction, interval check ins, and so much more. This does NOT include rolling away, changing sleep associations (going from nursing or feeding to sleep to bum pats or rocking to sleep), encouraging crib sleeping, implementing good sleep hygiene, having a steady bedtime routine, and so much more. Generally physically comforting your child even if they cry is not considered sleep training. The simple act of holding them, patting their bum, rocking them, answering their call for comfort releases oxytocin in their brain and helps buffer the stress response. Crying on its own isn't the problem, it's the response or lack thereof that causes issue.

If you're wondering if what you're doing is considered sleep training or not, the best question to ask yourself is "am I responding to my child's call for comfort when they call out to me or not?" If you are responding as soon as you're able to, then you aren't sleep training. The key being as soon as you're able to. If your hands are covered in soapy water, don't drop everything and go pick up your baby with wet soapy hands. Rinse and dry them and then go comfort your baby. If you're on the toilet, finish up and then go comfort them. If you're watching a clock to make sure that 3 minutes has passed of them crying before you go pick them up, that is sleep training.

My son is starting to shift around so I'm going to go spend some time watching him sleep and then spend my evening reading Hop on Pop and I'll Teach My Dog A Lot of Words for the 1928272819th time. Happy to answer questions in the comments after I've got him in bed this evening.


r/bninfantsleep 5h ago

Positive Story/Sucess And suddenly....7-8 hour stretches!

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I am coming up to going back to work in 3 weeks' time (😭) with an 11 month old who was still often waking every 1-2 hours, maybe with an initial 3-4 hour stretch, with me being the solo responder every single night to feed back to sleep.

Everyone was telling me I can't keep doing this back at work, I would be too tired, I would have to sleep train, I would have to stop feeding to sleep, I would have to do something to change this. I didn't want to change anything, I was just planning to deal with it, plus she's going to go to daycare and probably get sick a lot and have bad nights because of that anyway, and I just didn't see the point. But the pressure people were giving me!!

But!! The last couple of weeks, things have slowly been improving where our best nights were becoming our normal slowly..... And then last night she did an initial 7 hour stretch and then slept through till morning and tonight an initial 8 hour stretch!!!

So eff all those people who told me she couldn't learn to do it all by herself and that I was hindering her sleep and mine. I have changed literally nothing about her schedule, the way she falls asleep, how I respond, nothing. She will sleep when she's good and ready, thank you very much.

I know we will likely go through rough patches again for various reasons. But she can do it!! And I'm so proud of her and so proud of me for sticking with it.

That's all.


r/bninfantsleep 17h ago

Positive Story/Sucess 10 mo old slept through the night!

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OMG Y’ALL! As the title says. I’m shooketh. I was posting on here a couple months ago LOSING MY DAMN MIND with 45 minute wake ups throughout the night. Here I am on the other side. And I haven’t done anything different - still nursing to sleep, still cosleeping. He’s just growing up & naturally developing into a more sleep capable little bubs.

I’m absolutely not expecting this to continue, just to not get my hopes up lol but for this morning, I am celebrating 🙏🎉🥳

When you’re in the trenches of sleep deprivation it feels like you MUST be doing something wrong, you start questioning everything. The only thing I did start doing was capping day time sleep around the really really bad nights and that made a slight improvement in his sleep, but it was still really tough. He had 4 teeth coming in & was trying to crawl.

Just keep going, you WILL sleep again. I never thought it would happen to me 🥲


r/bninfantsleep 3h ago

Infant Sleep 9 month old naps

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My 9 month old gets up multiple times a night I feed him back to sleep, which sometimes is draining but I am not wanting to do any sleep training. Anyways naps… he normally does two 60-70 minute naps a day recently he’s been wakening half way through and I go in and pat him or rock him back to sleep is this wrong should I let him wake? But I feel if he’s easily going back to sleep within two minutes he needs the rest.


r/bninfantsleep 3h ago

Infant Sleep Sleep schedules while living life.

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My baby is just hitting 4 months. I’ve heard this is a good time to kind of add more of a schedule to their sleep.

I like the idea of this because if it helps my kiddo sleep better that’s great and I obviously want them getting enough rest for their brain development etc…. However I also don’t want to restrict myself and make myself go crazy by limiting all my life interactions due to set naps and bedtimes. We often go to grandparents for dinner for example and I don’t want to just have dinner and be like k bye gotta go cuz bedtime u know? How are people balancing these things? Any ideas or help is appreciated. Thanks.


r/bninfantsleep 6h ago

Infant Sleep 8. 5 months: exhausted, rubbing his eyes, melting down… and somehow bedtime takes TWO HOURS

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Baby is 8.5 months and sleep has gone completely to shit. He’s always needed a lot of support around sleep (normally wakes 2-4x a night), but bedtime has recently become a nightmare.

At this point the schedule is roughly 3/3/3.5, and that’s just following his sleepiness cues. Sometimes WW are a little longer, but never under 3 hours. Total naps around around 2 hours, sometimes 2.5.
We just moved states. Dad isn’t here yet. He’s teething. Bedtime is taking 2 hours minimum. He feeds to sleep and then is ready to party but also fussy, rubbing eyes, and melting down. Nighttime is a whole different story. 4-6 wakeups a night, which used to be 2-3.

Is it just a transition thing? Not enough wake time (it seems weird to extend WWs when he’s clearly tired)? I tried Motrin at bedtime for teething and it made no difference. Am I doing something wrong? He’s going through so much, constantly pulling to stand and wanting to walk, plus a new place… I am just at my wit’s end solo parenting and so exhausted.


r/bninfantsleep 6h ago

Cosleeping At what age did you stop bed sharing?

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My LO is 11 months and we love bed sharing so I can easily nurse her back to sleep. We don’t want any more kids so I’m happy to get in all the baby cuddles that I can as hard as it can be sometimes. Anyways, when did you transition your LO into their own bed/back to their crib/their own room? Our crib sits in the corner of our bedroom collecting dust and I will be getting rid of it soon, but not sure if I want to try out a floor bed in our room/her own room or just continue on. Her bedroom is on the floor down from us so I am torn. Thanks!


r/bninfantsleep 4h ago

Infant Sleep Transition to crib? Help!

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Cosleeping with a 7 month old. I don’t mind it although I wish I could get more comfortable. Breastfeeding at night is a breeze. It’s just me and her in the big bed.

The problem is that I work nights (12 hours) several times a month. Hubs then has to take LO all day while I sleep and then all night while I’m working. Thankfully his mother stays overnight so she can take over after I get home, shower, nurse, and then get some sleep. Hubs definitely loves the snuggles and baby girl sleeps just fine with him despite the absence of boobs, so breastfeeding is not the limiting factor, but he absolutely cannot sleep when he’s got her, so he’s running on almost 24 hours awake by the time I get home. It would also be nice to not feel like I was hit by a truck every morning and maybe let hubs have his spot back lol.

Because of this we are making a concentrated effort to get her accustomed to sleeping in her crib. We rock and nurse to sleep and then either I or hubs will put her down, but she usually doesn’t stay asleep for long and wakes up crying. Last night we got about an hour and a half, but tonight she only slept 20 minutes and now she’s in my arms. We always end up back in the big bed.

We will absolutely not let her cry it out, but I do want to help her to feel safe enough in there at night that she’ll go back to sleep unless she’s hungry. Is that even possible?


r/bninfantsleep 8h ago

Toddler Sleep Stressed about cosleeping setup for upcoming trip

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(I also posted this in the cosleeping sub, but think I may get more responses here)

Were going to do our first hotel stay this weekend and im a little stressed about the sleep situation. I sleep on a very low profile futon on the floor with my 12 month old at home. He rolls a lot in his sleep and every time he wakes at night he immediately sits up, crawls, even stands on the rare occasion. I usually wake when he does, but sometimes i wake and find him sitting on the floor on the side of the bed…no clue what his manner of exit from the bed was…

We have done some traveling to families houses and had luck with just putting a mattress on the floor. I also slept with him once on a high normal bed that was against the wall. I put him on the wall side and it wasnt a problem.

Also, my husband does not want to entertain the idea of our baby sleeping between us. Husband is a fairly large guy and feels like he sleeps too deep and moves to much in his sleep. I am more comfortable with the idea than he is after all the books ive read about sleep. But not trying to start an argument right now.

So ideally we can put the mattress on the floor at the hotel.

But im planning for the event that there is not enough space to do that.

I want to preface this by saying I understand that bed bumpers and rails are not necessarily the safest option. I am just weighing pros and cons for the temporary situation.

I assume the bed will not be against a wall. So I bought these inflatable travel bumpers and I set them up today and I am so worried that my little guy would easily crawl over them in the night. And fall off the bed.

Any suggestions? Should i buy a bedrail? Not sure if we would be able to fit that in the car for travel

ETA: We cosleep for pure survival. We are bringing the pack n play as an ultimate last resort, but he currently wakes every 2 hours with cosleeping…so i am pretty sure no one would get much sleep with him in the pack n play all night.

ETA #2: There is a sofa bed in the hotel room. I am not sure why i did not think to look at the room photos and description online. My husband booked it months ago and im clearly sleep deprived this week lol. I think we will be able to easily put the mattress from the pull out sofa on the floor!


r/bninfantsleep 1h ago

Nightweaning Night weaning a 1yo

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Does anyone have any gentle methods? We cosleep and I want to continue bf during the day but want to night wean

Having Dad settle maybe an option but not for another 2 months after which Dad may be able to handle some nights

If I don't offer the boob between sleep cycles he screams! He's getting 2h of daytime sleep and plenty of exercise and outdoor time.

He wakes every 2h at night for comfort nursing


r/bninfantsleep 18h ago

General Discussion Did I create bad sleep habits from day one?

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My baby was born at home, since the night she was born I have always coslept. I went into motherhood planning to cosleep because I believed in the bonding, health benefits, and breastfeeding support, we never even bought a bassinet. I woke her up every 2 hours to nurse until she hit her birth weight, and from then I’d let her sleep, however she’s always woken up every 2 hours on her own anyways. I carried her basically all day as a newborn, all naps were contact naps in the carrier, and I had her on me doing skin to skin as much as possible for the first few months of her life. She had reflux so up until she was 5 months old we slept chest to chest, and then she slept next to me nursing on and off throughout the night. From 6 months onward she’d basically be latched all night long, and had 2-3 months of waking up every 30-60 minutes.

She’s 12 months now and still needs to be near someone, still wakes up every 1-2 hours, and can not sleep in the car, stroller, or anywhere that isn’t touching someone. She will let others put her to sleep if I’m not in the room, so she’s not dependent on me or nursing specifically, but she definitely needs to be in contact with someone for both naps and night sleep. Throughout the past year I’ve tried at various points to get her to sleep in a crib attached to the bed, a separate mattress, even just a bit further than me on the mattress, but the max she’ll sleep is 30 minutes before stirring and getting super upset that she’s not touching someone.

My husband is telling me that for the next baby, we need to try a bassinet/crib from day one so we “don’t make these habits again”. He really believes that she got too used to cosleeping and constantly being near someone, so she never got the ability to learn that it’s possible to sleep on her own away from someone touching/holding her.

In my head I keep thinking this is just her temperament, even if I had put her in a bassinet from day one she might have just turned out to be a contact-seeking baby anyways. And if she wasn’t a contact-seeking baby, she would have made it clear that she doesn’t like being so close. But the comments start getting to me and I’m beginning to wonder if maybe he’s right. I did what I thought was best for her, but now I keep worrying that maybe I made her too dependent on touch and she could have been getting better sleep if I had just given her a chance to sleep away from someone.

I’m not sure if this has any basis in biologically normal infant sleep, but this sub aligns most with my thoughts so I thought I’d ask here. Thank you for reading!


r/bninfantsleep 14h ago

Nightweaning 11mths fed-to-sleep… what do I do after weaning?

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Wondering if anyone has advice about how to break the feed to sleep association once baby naturally stops BFing? Not a problem just now but I’m assuming it’s on the horizon. Thank you!


r/bninfantsleep 8h ago

Infant Sleep Baby’s average hours of sleep dropped dramatically overnight

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My 7 month old had a pretty predictable sleep pattern and was getting an average of 13.5-14 hours of sleep per day between his three naps and night sleep. All of a sudden, literally overnight, he dropped about two hours of sleep and is now sleeping about 11.5-12 hours per day total. 1-1.5 hours of the dropped sleep was from his nighttime sleep.

This has been going on for the last week or so. I’m surprised and a little concerned about the dramatic drop in sleep. He does seem fussier during the day, but he also just started crawling and popped a tooth. Is this a sign that I need to drop a nap, or just a phase because he’s learning new skills?


r/bninfantsleep 1d ago

Rant/Vent Why do people expect babies to sleep better than adults?!?

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Saw some of my husbands family today and they are lovely people but of course the first thing they asked was whether our baby (nearly 8 months old) sleeps through the night yet. I’m always just very vague on detail and say he still needs a feed overnight (he honestly isn’t a bad sleeper but we cosleep and he probably wakes 3-4x on average).
But then the whole conversation moves onto how they all wake up in the night for various reasons, or need very specific conditions for sleep such as eye masks/ear plugs/white noise etc. And I’m like…. So it’s okay for us as adults to wake at night (and even to be awake for a little while!) but babies who have immature nervous systems are somehow supposed to sleep through with no help whatsoever. It just got me feeling frustrated about how our culture seems to hold babies to higher standards than grown adults!! Needed to vent lol. Anyone else feel like this?!


r/bninfantsleep 16h ago

Infant Sleep 6 month old sleep (regression?)

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My 6 month old has generally been a relatively decent sleeper and a fairly high sleep needs baby.

We went through 4ish weeks of sleep challenges when she was 4 months old with fighting naps and being unable to link sleep cycles (all naps at 30 minutes). Luckily from 5 months onwards she had gone back to longer naps and we would get anywhere between 30mins to 2 hours. Night sleep would be between 7pm to 7am with one wake up for milk. Sometimes she would wake to happily babble in her bed for an hour and go back to sleep.

Now, for the last couple of weeks sleep is a mess again. She gets tired around 2 hour window with clear signs - rubbing eyes, staring etc., but trying to put her down is hell - screaming, kicking, hard to transfer. A lot of naps don’t go past 30 minutes and cannot be ‘saved’ despite her clearly being tired after waking up. At night she also wakes up multiple times screaming and being hard to put down (normally from 2am onwards). It is definitely not teething as we tried remedies to no effect.

My question is, is this a normal phase? Development? I am happy to keep supporting her, rocking and persevering through her distress, but I am worried about how tired she seems all the time upon waking up.


r/bninfantsleep 15h ago

Infant Sleep 4 week old fighting sleep

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This is my 3rd baby and neither of my older kids did this so would love to know this is actually a thing (lol)
My 4 week old fights tooth and nail to sleep. Not just at night time, all day. This just started a few days ago. I change and feed her as soon as she wakes up and then try and get her back to sleep as I don’t want her wake window to be too long (made the mistake of doing that earlier on) and she will not settle. Screams and cries. It takes almost 2 hours for her to settle. Even while holding her, rocking her, in the carrier. Once she finally does start to shut her eyes it’s like clock work 5 min in she opens her eyes and starts looking around. I don’t dare put her down because I know she isn’t in a deep sleep yet. On top of the hours it takes to settle her, for her to actually be in a deep sleep takes another 30-45 min. Anyone else???


r/bninfantsleep 12h ago

Toddler Sleep Putting to sleep struggles

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13 month old transitioned to one nap a week ago. We co-sleep on a floor bed, and she nurses to sleep. I’m trying to stop nursing her to sleep, but so far nothing else seems to work.

She has struggled with falling asleep for the past few months. Once she is asleep, she generally sleeps well and wakes only once to feed. Her usual nighttime sleep is approximately 8 PM to 7 AM.
Bedtime has always taken at least 40 minutes, but lately it can take several hours, and she sometimes doesn’t fall asleep until around 10 PM. This was one of the reasons we transitioned to one nap, as her bedtime was getting increasingly late.

She now has one nap of approximately two hours. Getting her down for her nap also takes at least 40 minutes. She nurses for a long time and protests when I unlatch her, even after she has fallen asleep and stopped actively nursing.
Bedtime is even more difficult. She nurses, then unlatches and starts moving around the room. Sometimes she plays, sometimes she cries wants to leave the room, and sometimes she tosses and turns around the bed.

She is generally a very active child, and at bedtime she simply won’t lie down long enough to relax and drift off to sleep. Nothing seems to help her relax. I’ve tried stories, lullabies, patting, stroking, and other calming techniques, but nothing seems to work.


r/bninfantsleep 1d ago

Infant Sleep Nanny insisting on sleep training during interview

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Hi, I had an interview with a nanny today that I was hoping would go well (she fits into our part-time schedule need, came highly recommended, etc). There was a mix up/miscommunication with our initial meeting but I was willing to overlook that if the interview went well. There were a couple of parts of the interview that left me with uncertainty. One of them being, she gave an example of a challenge when she makes recommendations and parents don’t agree so I asked for an example and she said sleep training. I told her I’m not comfortable with sleep training and asked if that was a deal breaker, she said no but then proceeded to explain why sleep training is best. She eventually agreed that she could take him for walks during nap time but was adamant that she would not contact nap because it starts a bad habit. I don’t even mind no contact naps but my baby definitely needs help to go to sleep. It left me feeling like she would most likely still do some form of sleep training even if I’m not ok with it. She assured me that she would never let a baby be in distress under her care but I’m not sure we agree on what “distress” is.

I’m pretty sure I’m going to pass on this candidate and continue my search but I’m curious to hear about your experiences. Is it challenging to find a nanny who understands biologically normal infant sleep? I didn’t think this would be a point of concern since we only need help during the day and only need a nanny 2 days a week. How do I best screen for this before we get to a full interview? Do you have any thoughts of my decision making here/have any alt ways of seeing this?


r/bninfantsleep 13h ago

Infant Sleep No daytime schedule?

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Hi everyone,

LO is EBF and around 4.5 months old. She has had pretty good night sleep since she was born - recently around 2-4 night wake ups but with cosleeping and feeding to sleep these are super easy to handle. Normally we are in bed from around 9 pm until 8 or 9 am, but that is with cuddling, some play before sleep etc.

Her daytime sleep however is all over the place. On a daily basis I basically have no idea when she will be asleep and when not. Often she is having micro naps while nursing which somehow regenerate her to be awake another hour or two. I offer sleep when I see shes been awake a while, but I don’t ever force it. She has reliably one nap a day which is at least 30-60 min, also cosleeping or a contact nap, though when this is is truly all over the place. She is happy and alert throughout the day and eating well.

Am I disadvantaging her at some point by not enforcing a daytime schedule, calculating wake windows etc? Would she over time develop a daytime schedule of her own? I am home with her for the whole first year, so we have no real need to conform to a schedule currently, and I’m satisfied with her nighttime sleep.


r/bninfantsleep 20h ago

Naps When did your LO go to two naps?

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Got an 8 month old here who is still on a very firm 3 nap/day schedule. Kind of expected to at least be transitioning by now but she still can’t and it more than 3 hours awake and currently sleeps 11 hours straight at night, so I’m not keen on forcing any changes!

But I’m curious, what age was your LO when they dropped the third nap?


r/bninfantsleep 15h ago

Infant Sleep Slept 6h straight in sleep “regression”??

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I’m a FTM to an EBF 18 week old. For the last 2ish weeks he’s been waking up every 45min to 2 hours. He was previously doing 3 hour stretches in the night, so that’s why I put quotes around regression because he’s never really slept thru the night. But he’s randomly given us 2 nights now from 9pm-3am.

My question is how do they randomly just sleep thru the night some nights during this period of more night wake ups? He’s done the same thing every day and wasn’t a more stimulating day than usual. Has this happened to anyone else? Everything is just so confusing/mind boggling to me


r/bninfantsleep 1d ago

Non-Sleep Related Chat ☀️🌈

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Want a place to discuss anything not sleep related? Here it is. Featured on the first of each month this is a place to discuss all things baby, toddler, and child.

As always, keep everything with responsive parenting in mind.


r/bninfantsleep 18h ago

Toddler Sleep Earlier vs late bedtime

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Babe is 12 months! (I think) I’m finding that with an earlier bedtime (like before 7:30p) my baby tends to sleep later in the morning between like 6:30/7a. But when I put him to bed closer to 8p he will wake up at 5:30/5:45a ready for the day….does anyone else find this?
Where it confuses me is if he wakes up at 4p from a nap I feel like putting him to bed at 7:15ish is not enough awake time….so what do I do lol


r/bninfantsleep 18h ago

Infant Sleep Help! 5.5 month old - previous good sleeper now terrible and can't settle

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Helpppp!! Feeling at the end of my tether. Do I sleep train? Finding it so hard and not being consistent with it as it breaks my heart seeing her cry so much. Shes getting so distressed she's turning herself over in her bassinet and she hasn't learnt to roll back yet therefore getting more frustrated so I end up going into her before the 5/10 mins.

She used to sleep great, put down awake but drowsy and go straight to sleep at 7pm - 2am for her first feed, back down and then wake at 7am. Since approx 4.5months - she is unable to go down without significant crying meaning myself or my husband have to rock her and sing her to sleep, when she wakes in the night she takes so long to settle, I end up putting her in my bed which she is definitely sleeping better in when being cuddled but still not great.

Me and my husband are now falling out frequently over this as we're both so fed up of taking 1hr+ to settle her every night and throughout the night.

Any advice so greatly appreciated