r/chocolate • u/ionut_squam_24 • 2d ago

News Is it a scam?

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Is this really undutched chocolate? Or is it just written that on the packaging?

Composition:

Cocoa butter 54%, cocoa powder from non-alkalized low-fat cocoa, agave syrup. Cocoa solids min. 90%.

I knew that those who are undutched most of the time don't even use low-fat powder!

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u/[deleted] 2d ago

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u/ionut_squam_24 2d ago

Why?

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u/Confident_Resolution 2d ago

90% cocoa solids with 54% cocoa butter means 36% cocoa solids (ie cocoa powder)

To call it dark chocolate legally it must have 35% cocoa solids.

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u/prugnecotte 2d ago

actually the legal requirements do not mention "dark" but simply "chocolate"

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u/Confident_Resolution 2d ago

Wrong.

Directive 2000/36/EC.

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u/prugnecotte 2d ago

there is no mention of "dark chocolate", point 3 refers to "chocolate"

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u/Confident_Resolution 2d ago

The legal nomenclature of 'plain chocolate' directly refers to what you know better as dark chocolate. It is specifically differentiated from milk chocolate and white chocolate (and a few others) in the directive.

Regulations consider them the same product category. You can argue semantics, but plain = dark.

So yes, 2000/36/EC indeed covers dark chocolate.

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u/prugnecotte 2d ago

I'm just saying that "dark" is a marketing term so there are no legal requirements that can be attached to "dark chocolate"

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u/Confident_Resolution 2d ago

Well, yes there is, if you call it "dark chocolate".

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u/prugnecotte 2d ago

not any requirement for "dark", regulated names are strictly those contained in legal documents. same thing for the US, where "dark chocolate" falls in the category of "sweet chocolate" and it is allowed to contain dairy products. there is no definition of what a "dark milk" bar might be, as well. it's clear what we refer to when mentioning "dark", but no one is required to use it as a legal term, therefore products can blur the lines between one category and another.

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u/prugnecotte 2d ago

chocolate isn't made from cocoa powder (nor from liquid sweeteners like agave syrup) though

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u/ionut_squam_24 2d ago

So...it's not even undutched?

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u/Live_Rhubarb_7560 2d ago

What are you after? If you're after good quality dark chocolate this bar ain't it. And yes, the cocoa powder in this bar can well be undutched, however, cocoa powder in general (unlike cocoa mass) is not a necessary ingredient in chocolate bars. In fact, it's typically indicative of lower quality bars.

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u/CauliflowerDaffodil 2d ago

I'm not sure what you think the scam is. Why are you doubting it's non-alkalized?

I knew that those who are undutched most of the time don't even use low-fat powder!

? Almost all standard unsweetened supermarket cocoa powders (like Ghirardelli or Callebaut) are undutched and low-fat. Commercial chocolate and baking industries can have undutched cocoa powder in both low-fat (10–12%) and high-fat (20–22%) grades.

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u/MoneyForThePeople 1d ago

Not a scam, but not tasty

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u/Confident_Resolution 2h ago

2000/36/EC. These are requirements from the people that actually know chocolate.

And for that horrible mess the americans call chocolate, theres 21.163.123 that regulates the content of what you call chocolate.

Is your whole argument about a labelling loophole for 12% dairy? What a ridiculous position to hold.