r/nextfuckinglevel 16h ago

The Transformation of a Van

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u/InternationalRead925 16h ago

I'm guessing that cost a bit of cash.

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u/PreferredSex_Yes 16h ago

Small loan of $150k /s

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u/Bulls_Bears_ 16h ago

For the van alone

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u/BigTomBombadil 15h ago

A new 2026 Mercedes sprinter cargo vans (no side windows) with the high roof and 170” (longest) wheel base, has an MSRP around $60k. Cheaper if you get it used.

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u/Tybo929 14h ago

I've been surprised by the used price of these, given how expensive everything else is. They're affordable when bare bones.

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u/Chuckfinley_88 14h ago

Because bare bones there is nothing to it. Engine, transmission, 2 front seats and a sliding door. If anything, 60k for that is overpriced.

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u/Tybo929 13h ago

Seen them sub-40s, and yes, VERY bare bones. But it's a start for someone!

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u/molrobocop 8h ago

Yeah, because they're fucking pieces of shit that constantly break. You can count on a semi-monthly $1000+ mechanic bill. 

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u/ai-kukae-a-make 6h ago

Uhhh what? Thats not really true. These vehicles especially the diesel versions are pretty bullet proof

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u/molrobocop 5h ago

I follow a couple van-adventurers. Their experiences don't align with your own. "We've got another EGR code. It's in limp mode again." "The screen for the backup camera/radio isn't turning on. We've turned it off and on a few times. Nothing." "Shop says the parts for transmission are a month out. So we're stuck."

Which is a damn shame, as the platform itself is superior to Chevrolet, Fiat (Promasters), and Ford.

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u/kingjoey52a 14h ago

They're probably run into the ground by delivery drivers.

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u/CT0292 11h ago

They're definitely run into the ground by delivery drivers.

And plumbers.

And carpet layers.

And anyone who hauls small cargo that needs to be kept dry from the rain.

I love work vans, but used ones are often very used. This isn't granny going to church every Sunday. This is Mike the electrician going all over town every day to fix faulty wiring in people's houses.

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u/Turtle887853 8h ago

And the idle hours might he worse than the active driving hours.

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u/floridafreaks 7h ago

Very true, but they do tend to handle the abuse pretty well

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u/runningraleigh 3h ago

Mike is my dude! He always makes time for my home repairs.

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u/Scouter197 1h ago

Our first minivan ended up being a POS. It was used for local flower delivery. So many things went wrong on it...because the delivery drivers probably didn't care and treated it like crap.

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u/toss_me_good 11h ago

They should be cheaper actually, these Mercedes sprinter vans are basically the most basic van you can get, in europe they are absolutely everywhere

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u/TacTurtle 10h ago

They are still like double or triple what a low mile E-350 van goes for.

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u/QcRoman 9h ago

I've been surprised by the used price of these, given how expensive everything else is.

They're unreliable. I used to work next door to a M-B dealer and the model year when these joined the lineup they quickly became the number one towed in vehicle on the lot.

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u/CoolerRon 8h ago

German cars, especially Mercedes Benz, have terrible depreciation

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u/Silver_Wolf_Dragon 12h ago

Look at used rolls royce's. I saw a 2005 rolls Royse for like $35k once. Dunno what was wrong with it but that had to hurt whoever bought it new

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u/HomicidalHushPuppy 9h ago

Rolls cars are terribly unreliable (because they're made by BMW)

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u/One-Tap-7757 11h ago

Its a luxury item with a very steep maintenance cost.

u/WokeCarDad 17m ago

$50k is affordable for whom lmao

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u/SnooMacarons3689 13h ago

My dad had a Leisure travel van with a walking glass shower and a seperate toilet and only 1 slide

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u/tila1993 7h ago

Be better off getting a Ford Transit $50K. I've got a 2020 transit I use for work and in 120k miles it's never had an issue outside of tires and brakes.

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u/gamebus1 13h ago

Vans are horribly overpriced. And used are also overpriced and worn down.

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u/New-Anybody-6206 8h ago

And not only are these unreliable, they're stupid hard to work on.

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u/BigTomBombadil 7h ago

So are cars and trucks.

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u/ClothboundBrick 9h ago

Do we lie for fun or because we’re a bot trying to create dissent?

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u/Questionsaboutsanity 15h ago

per second!

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u/GinjaNinja-NZ 14h ago

Up hill! Both ways! In the snow!

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u/CrzdHaloman 9h ago

Check out your local surplus auctions, you'd be surprised what your city just tosses out for cheap. My brother in law just bought a 2020 van with 80k miles for $2600. Inspection only found the tires, passenger seat, and a side mirror needing replaced or repairs. It was so cheap cause the city was replacing all the vans with newer ones, even if the old worked perfectly fine.

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u/Weebus 6h ago

Mercedes isn't a luxury vehicle outside of the US.  Their vans (even in the US) are relatively cheap.

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u/specialcommenter 6h ago

If they bought it used more likely $30,000 and they did all the interior and accessory work themselves.

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u/pic_N_mix 5h ago

Over on r/vanlife they will laugh at it. And say it’s worth $12k.

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u/Angstycarroteater 4h ago

Nah my mom recently bought a 2026 camper Bauer edition and she got a loan for 96k and that had all the van had after they finished building minus the canopy part on top still way too fucking expensive but if she got that at 96k I’d say the van probably 50-60 then everything they did roughly another 100k

Edit: she is not wealthy either just throwing that in there she works at a grocery store

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u/Sleeper-- 15h ago

$150k per second???!!!

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u/zmbjebus 14h ago

$150,000 per second is a massive loan

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u/Pixel_Knight 14h ago

They spent way way more than that on this project. 

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u/Rare_Illustrator4586 12h ago

150k per second? Shit. Lol.

(/s)

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u/Saelethil 11h ago

Why get a loan when daddy will buy it for you?

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u/LegendaryHooman 11h ago

$150 THOUSAND PER SECOND???

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u/Starscream147 7h ago

Three small beers…

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u/Wurznschnitzer 14h ago

my buddy and me have the exact same van, we both bought is for roughly the same price, he put in 12k for interior and everything and i put together some whacky contraption for a couple hundred bucks for electronics (solar and battery) He hasnt used it once, i have been to more than half of all europe (more than half a year onthe road in total) in my little shitbox.

Shit can cost cash, but it doesnt have to, i never understood those people who buy a 400k home on wheels just to watch tv and cook in a proper kitchen on a campingground.

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u/intellectual_punk 11h ago

You're my hero and this is exactly what I'd do. 100k+ RV's tend to be more for prestige. I lived for a few months out of my opel astra h stationwagon. Some electronics, mattress, good sound system, was finishing my PhD in the Italian alps during covid this way (: Some of the best times of my life. Been dreaming of van life eversince. Alas I have a job that I love.

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u/zewill87 8h ago

Lol dude had the best life, regrets his amazing time but also loves his current job ! Leave some happiness for us, buddy! But well done! ;)

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u/Wurznschnitzer 8h ago

dang finishing your PhD in the alps really sounds like a dream. oh i wish i had that thing ready as a camper during covid already, would have been way nicer than sitting at home.

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u/theevilphoturis 16h ago

All I need is a dream and 6 millions pound

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u/Longjumping_Youth281 4h ago

And an apprenticeship modifying vans, since you could give me all that money and I still wouldn't know how to do this

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u/-Danksouls- 15h ago

It's their job

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u/QuasiThrowaway9 13h ago

And if it’s their job they already have the equipment, no how, and can write off a lot of this build as both advertising and spec to sell. A lot of people love to hate (not saying you were, Dank).

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u/_a_random_dude_ 9h ago

no how

"no how" is what I have because I have no clue how to do this. They have know how.

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u/EorlundGraumaehne 15h ago

Its not that bad. Don't have the exact figures but my parents did something similar for their pension and they are by no means rich

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u/InternationalRead925 15h ago

Just the van is $85k.

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u/EorlundGraumaehne 15h ago edited 10h ago

Yeah it doesn't have to be a new expensive van like that. I mean the general idea.

Edit: gonna give my father a call later and figure out what it cost him.

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u/round-earth-theory 15h ago

Why wouldn't you use a new van. The modifications are going to cost 50k+. Adding those to a rotten van is just throwing money away.

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u/Duracra 14h ago

Lol, the choices aren't brand new or "rotten". You could get something 3 years old which is still pretty new but avoids a good chunk of the depreciation.

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u/Aranxi_89 12h ago

Yeah if you shop around, you can get decent 2nd hand vans that are similar. I would go for a Japanese built one personally for reliability and ease of getting parts, but those Mercedes sprinter vans are quite common. Just need to be careful that you aren't building in one that has been driven into the ground already.

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u/EorlundGraumaehne 10h ago

Yeah my father got a cheap Mercedes sprinter for it and it worked out well so far. They have it for 5 years(?) And went a few time up the Norwegian cost and back down again without much problems.

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u/boilface 14h ago

Have you ever purchased a vehicle?

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u/basicKitsch 5h ago

https://old.reddit.com/r/nextfuckinglevel/comments/1w416k0/the_transformation_of_a_van/p74jpzl/

modifications can cost hundreds/a few grand diy to 10-20k pro also

there's absolutely no reason to buy new

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u/BigTomBombadil 15h ago

MSRP is ~$60-$65k, unless you get the max payload package, then it’s still under $75k.

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u/bigeasy19 14h ago

But your numbers don’t fit their made up fantasy

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u/TxM_2404 8h ago

You can get that van for 40K after two years of use or so. Nobody buys them for 85.
The way German car manufacturers operate now means that usually new cars are leased out to business customers and then sold as used.

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u/DubWyse 5h ago

People interested in the budget version of this should check out foamies or converted enclosed trailers. Diy rv trailer basically. Still need something that can tow a few thousand pounds and the knowledge for electrical/plumbing stuff but making a sprinter into an rv is probably the most expensive way to go about it.

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u/Rex51230 15h ago

Those vans have a base price of 100k add in the renovations and probably close to 150k cheap for a house but it's not a house it's an rv

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u/0202_tihssitidder 15h ago

A very similar built-out version I just looked at is $320,000.

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u/watchshoe 15h ago

That’s a bit ridiculous.

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u/mondaymoderate 13h ago

You can buy a badass motorhome for way cheaper

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u/watchshoe 2h ago

Our house was 324, and at least that can’t depreciate as fast as a van 😂

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u/Heavyspire 9h ago

I was just wondering what type of amenities this offers over an actual RV. I would rather just get a Winnebago and save some cash.

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u/Fozzymandius 7h ago

Mostly all wheel drive and the ability to use normal parking lots. My mom bought herself one as a retirement present and has been living out of it for the last three months while working at a national park. Hers is also 4 seasons rated with no modifications, so we’ve taken it to the mountain before for snowboarding.

300k seems silly for this because my moms is made by Winnebago and she got it at the end of the year for 150, that’s about 70 off of msrp.

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u/kidneysc 5h ago

I have a ford transit that was converted into a campervan. The real win, is that they are much nicer to drive, you can navigate most US forest service roads, and a much better MPG. It serves as a daily driver for our family of 4 in a pinch as well.

Mine is not nearly this nice, but all in was about $45k. $30k for the van brand new, and $15k build out. That was back in 2018, so would probably be more like $60k today.

Basically the same cost as a new Tacoma TRD

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u/0202_tihssitidder 2h ago

You can also easily spend $750,000 for a motorhome.

$1.5M motor coaches are pretty common.

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u/mondaymoderate 2h ago

Yeah but you can get a pretty nice motorhome comparable to this size brand new for $75,000.

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u/briefcase_vs_shotgun 12h ago

A bit? 320 for any sprinter..

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u/aagusgus 14h ago

And you could buy a ready made RV for significantly less.

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u/NorthTempleStreet 14h ago

Or, you know, a house in the Midwest

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u/AndreasVesalius 9h ago

Does it drive tho?

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u/amalgaman 8h ago

Depending on where it is, it has the potential to be a boat.

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u/zkareface 13h ago

These are way more secure in a crash than a regular RV though.

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u/anastis 13h ago

How come?

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u/zkareface 13h ago

Regular RVs usually have wood pillars, the whole cabin just turn into splinters in a crash.

Example when they crash tested some RVs here few years ago https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuNOarORALM

This is our government agency responsible for roads (so including all safety around them).

The vans are usually built like a car and will crash like one.

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u/mrlt10 12h ago

Yes, but the appeal of these vans is that you can take them off-roading to spots you could never dream of taking an RV. That’s assuming you get the 4WD version. Raise it a bit and throw on some large off-roading tires to have good clearance then upgrade the suspension and you can take it on truck trails to spots most people can only access if they’re willing to hike for days at a time.

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u/breadwhore 6h ago

Depends what you want to haul around. There's value to not having something giant you're dragging on the road.

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u/AdjunctFunktopus 5h ago

If I had one of these, I could park it at my house and occasionally use it as a tow vehicle for my little trailer. It’s even small enough that I could use it as a spare vehicle if my daily went down for a couple days.

Ironically, I do have a shitty RV (that I hate) and wouldn’t dream of parking it at my house or using it for anything beyond its intended purpose. But I bought it in a moment of weakness when I should have bought a pop top minivan.

The RV technically has a full kitchen, bathroom and more space. But it sucks at everything else.

Also 4-7 mpg means I don’t drive it anywhere.

And it’s an RV, so I can’t get to the cool campgrounds that are cheaper. Or just park it on the road for a stealthy sleep.

And it’s so wide, it’s a pain in the ass to drive in traffic or construction.

And when it breaks down (because it’s a shitty RV that I bought in a moment of weakness) it’s too big for car dealers to look at, so I have to hunt for a shop that’ll touch it. And I have to pay for the big tow trucks.

A newer one would probably suck much less, but given the choice I’d rather have the van.

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u/basicKitsch 5h ago

those vans have a base price new for 60-70k and lightly used for 40k

modifications can cost a few grand doing most if it yourself to 10-20k pro

and you can do it even cheaper

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u/kiochikaeke 13h ago

Yep, I've seen videos like this that debate a lot more about prices and the economy of it, the idea is that you're either have a lot to spare and do this completely because you want it, or you really are just homeless or about to be and instead of trying to ever own a home you own one of this and make it look as good as you can cause it's the only home you're going to get.

Something like this is cheaper than even the crappiest houses but it's also just not a house and it's a whole different lifestyle.

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u/doug_Or 5h ago

In what currency? Obviously not USD

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u/HoldenH 4h ago

150k isn’t even close

u/rienholt 8m ago

The van by itself costs more than my house.

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u/Time_Seaworthiness43 14h ago

They couldn't afford to upload in 720 tho.

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u/577564842 14h ago

Selling a promise of a Patriot or two to Ukraine should cover it.

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u/Free-Pound-6139 14h ago

Surely its cheaper to buy a RV??

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u/XGreenDirtX 13h ago

I wonder if its cheaper than just buying a camper van.

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u/Boss_Seven 12h ago

The van itself cost a fortune

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u/Constant-Virus6681 12h ago

You gotta work hard enough so your boss' boss can spend a bit of their play money.

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u/dickdogbeforesunset 12h ago

I rudimentary built mine with plywood and the costs have gotten astronomical, I can’t even imagine what this would be with all these fancy materials

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u/LikeFallingRain 10h ago

Outfitted nicer than my house, damn

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u/Unicorn-Violator 9h ago

Not to mention it gets 5 miles per gallon now.

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u/AndreasVesalius 9h ago

Fucking obviously

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u/Sleep_Raider 9h ago

That's because you didn't work hard for your cash since you were 14 and coincidentally have millionaires as parents which is completely unrelated whatsoever forget I mentioned it focus on the working part.

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u/Bombadook 8h ago

Which insurance do you buy

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u/nj-insurance-problem 4h ago

I did a very similar build out myself over a year with a promaster and it was 70k all in. (brand new van, all parts materials and tools).

Then I lived in it instead of paying rent, so I saved something like 30k-40k and it is worth about 80k to 100k if I sell it.

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u/Deadarchimode 4h ago

Connection doing this kind of modification in Greece would get yourself jail time, your car removed from streets permanently and pay a ridiculous high amount of money.

In fact if you have a motorhome and it can expand once you park police can fine you a large amount for being extra cm bigger than the original vehicle size.

Recently a guy for riding a horse got fined for driving some alcohol and took his driver license for driving a vehicle (the horse) the whole greece gone in uproar with this stupidity of the police and prosecutor decision.

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u/GalacticCmdr 4h ago

/r/vanlife

Spouse and I transformed our Sienna - the kids are gone and we no longer need a people hauler. We went more modular so the van can still be used as a people wagon if necessary.

V0.1 trip was last year (US coast to coast)- we are working on v0.2 for next year (NE to SW probably). Lots of State Parks along the way.

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u/KiPhoe 15h ago

In the UK, these are actually pretty cheap to make. You can find yourself an old work van with like 70k miles for under £10k, and slowly build it over time.
An old colleague just moved into his 2 weeks ago at the age of 24, doing minimum wage jobs.

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u/flamixin 15h ago

And 50 years of free time.