r/vce Apr 30 '20

"I only got x% on my SAC, can I still get a 50?"

1.3k Upvotes

I'm sick to death of seeing these posts, so can everyone please read this and be done with this question:

Study scores are determined by exam SCORE and SAC RANK.

For example, say you have an English class of 7 students, Adam, Ben, Chloe, Daniel, Elena, Felix, and Greg. They are all weak students, except for Greg, who is very high-performing, and Felix, who is slightly above average. Their SAC marks and rank are:

Greg 95%

Felix 77%

Chloe 64%

Daniel 60%

Elena 58%

Adam 52%

Ben 49%

On the exam day, Felix doesn't cope well under the stress, so gets a lower score than he'd usually be capable of. The exam marks are as follows:

Greg 92%

Chloe 67%

Daniel 65%

Elena 64%

Felix 63%

Adam 50%

Ben 40%

What happens is that all the SAC marks get thrown out the window, because VCAA can't know the difficulty of the SACs prepared by the school. So Greg's new SAC "mark" as far as VCAA is concerned is 92, not 95. Not a big deal for Greg, Adam or Ben because their own exam mark is dictating their SAC mark. But for someone like Felix, his SAC mark will become 67% (Chloe's exam mark). This process happens independently for each subject taught at your school.

What does this mean for you? Yes, you should aim for a good SAC rank. BUT, it doesn't actually matter if you're not ranked well — the "translation" of your rank into a "mark" happens via your cohorts exam performance. In other words, try your best now, study hard, and when SACs are over WORK WITH YOUR CLASSMATES TO ALL DO WELL ON THE EXAM TOGETHER. IF THEY DO WELL, YOU DO WELL.

Spend your time actually studying instead of asking useless questions like this.

EDIT: another example for clarity

Here's a chemistry class, of Harry, Isabel, James, Kylie, Luke, Molly, Nathan, and Oscar.

SACs:

Harry 60%

Isabel 58%

James 56%

Kylie 55%

Luke 54%

Molly 52%

Nathan 51%

Oscar 50%

EXAMS:

Harry 100%

James 99%

Nathan 98%

Oscar 97%

Molly 96%

Isabel 95%

Kylie 94%

Luke 93%

Harry's SAC mark is now 100%, Isabel's is 99%, James' is 98%, Kylie's is 97%, Luke's is now 96% etc. It's literally just whatever the equivalent exam rank is.

EDIT 2: I've had a request to clarify rumours about SACs being "scaled up" or "scaled down". "Scaling" is a misnomer students attribute to the moderation process. Here are yet another set of examples to clarify.

Imagine you have a cohort of Annie, Ben, and Charlie. Let's say their teacher sets really hard SACS, so their SAC results are:

  1. Annie 60%

  2. Ben 58%

  3. Charlie 55%

Because they've been doing hard assessments all year, they've been better equipped for the exam. These are the exam results:

  1. Ben 96%

  2. Annie 94%

  3. Charlie 90%

So now, Annie's SAC mark gets changed to 96%, Ben's to 94%, and Charlie's to 90%. This is what people interpret as "scaling up". The opposite would happen at a school with piss easy SACs: they get awesome SAC marks but shit exam marks, so their SAC marks get replaced by their shit exam marks ("scaled down").

The danger in this thinking is that people assume that if you go to a well-performing school, you'll get carried, or that if you go to a "bad" school, you're screwed from the get-go and can't possibly get a good score. This is not true at all. Let's see why.

Let's say your friend at a selective school, Harry, thinks he can take it easy this year because he goes to a 'good' school. The SAC results are as follows:

  1. Ed 93%

  2. Fred 90%

  3. Greg 88%

  4. Harry 60%

on the exams, the results are

  1. Fred 95%

  2. Greg 92%

  3. Ed 87%

  4. Harry 61%

In this instance, Harry was not of a comparable skill level to his classmates, so he never get to "borrow" their exam results in any way. His SAC score will be 61%.

Here's another example. Say you have a cohort with these SACs:

  1. Meg 95%

  2. Noah 94%

  3. Oscar 93%

  4. Peter 90%

On the exam day, Noah gets a bit of performance anxiety (but not in a way that warrants SEAS or anything). Exam results are:

  1. Meg 93%

  2. Oscar 92%

  3. Peter 91%

  4. Noah 75%

Now, Noah's SAC mark will be 92%, but his exam result only 75%. So he kind of got "helped" by his good cohort, only because he was doing well for the SACs. Peter has been a bit screwed here, because his SAC mark is now 75%.

One person stuffing up will never have such a dramatic effect like this; it's unlikely for someone who's been topping the cohort all year to suddenly slip to the bottom. Cohorts are generally big enough that you shouldn't need to worry. I went to a really small school (60 people in the year level. Some of my subject cohorts contained 6 people). I still felt no one got jibbed with unrepresentative scores.

As I always reiterate: try your best in SACs, but don't ruminate over them. The exam is where the money's at, and once your SACs are over you should work together with your cohort to all do well together. Share your resources, make study groups, and bring each other up.

EDIT 3: wow, my first gold! Thank you so much! 🥰


r/vce 13h ago

General Question/comment How To Make It Through VCE With Mental/Physical Health Problems

12 Upvotes

I’ve seen a lot of posts on here about people struggling with VCE because of mental or physical health issues, so I thought I’d put together some advice that I wish more people had told me. First of all, your health problems are not due to personal failure. You’re not lazy, stupid, weak, or “bad at school” because you’re struggling to function while dealing with health problems.

VCE can be demanding even when you’re completely healthy, so if you're not, it makes it even harder. Here are some things that I find can help as a person with both mental health issues and a chronic illness:

TL;DR

  1. Tell someone at school.

  2. Look into special considerations.

  3. Don't treat rest as something you need to earn.

  4. Lower the bar if you need to.

  5. Get your priorities straight.

  6. Break down big tasks into smaller ones.

  7. Don't compare yourself to your healthy classmates.

  8. Keep your teachers and other staff updated if you can.

  9. Utilise your good days.

  10. Have a minimum viable study routine.

  11. Don't sacrifice your entire life for an ATAR.

  12. Ask for help before you're at breaking point.

...

  1. Tell someone at school e.g. year level coordinator, wellbeing team, VCE/senior year coordinator, teacher or other staff members. They can't help with problems they don't know about, but you don't have to disclose every personal detail either.

  2. Look into special considerations and school based support as soon as you can. Don't wait until the last minute to ask for support so your school can let you know what VCAA support is available for your situation.

  3. Don't treat rest as something you need to earn. Resting isn't procrastination. Sleep, appointments, eating and exercising well (if you're able to) or even just taking a break is all part of getting through VCE.

  4. Lower the bar if you need to. If you're not coping, turn "I studied for hours and finished everything" into "I sat at my desk and submitted the important task". It's not giving up, it's adapting to the amount of energy you have.

  5. Get your priorities straight. You can't always do everything, so work out what is actually worth your time and energy. Some tasks are less important than others, so if you're struggling, ask your teacher what you should prioritise.

  6. Break down big tasks into smaller ones. "Study Biology" is overwhelming, while "Read 1 page" is not. Once you start, it's easier to do more.

  7. Don't compare yourself to your healthy classmates. Just because someone else can study for six hours after school doesn't mean everyone can. Compare yourself to your own circumstances, not someone else's.

  8. Keep your teachers and other staff updated if you can. If you disappear for two weeks and then suddenly email asking for extensions, it's much harder for everyone. Communicating early makes things considerably easier.

  9. Utilise your good days. If you happen to have a day where you feel more motivated, you don't necessarily need to spend all of it catching up, but doing a little extra preparation can give you some breathing room when the bad days come back.

  10. Have a minimum viable study routine. For example, on a really bad day, maybe your goal is simply to attend school, do one important task, eat something, shower, and sleep. On a better day, you can do more. Having different expectations for different levels of functioning can make things much more sustainable.

  11. Don't sacrifice your entire life for an ATAR. Obviously VCE matters, but it is not worth destroying your physical or mental health over. There are pathways into university, TAFE, apprenticeships, further study, and careers that don't depend on getting one particular ATAR.

  12. Ask for help before you're at breaking point. Friends, family, teachers, counsellors, psychologists, doctors and other professionals exist for a reason. You don't have to prove that you're “sick enough” to deserve support.

Most importantly, your VCE results are a description of how you performed during one particular period of your life, they aren't a measure of your intelligence, your worth, your future, or how hard you tried.


r/vce 10h ago

I dont have friends outside of school and idk what im going to do when i graduate and i eventually grow apart from them

4 Upvotes

I have had the same friendgroup since yr 7 and i dont think we will necessarily last bc we've been having som drama but like who tf am i supposed to hang out with when theres no more school and i want to walk around 😁


r/vce 18h ago

Bracelets(tw)

13 Upvotes

Hi I’m super sorry for posting this here but I don’t rlly have a choice I’m not sure why all the other forums are age restricting me.

I struggle with sh to regulate myself and since summer is coming up I have to wear short sleeved school uniform.I was wondering if anyone has any recommendations on how to cover it up.I was thinking bracelets might be good but I was wondering since it’s only on my left arm if anyone has any recommendations of what type of bracelets are usually worn since I’m super indecisive and I’d prefer smth more convenient.ive bought a few but they’re super clunky and I feel like I prefer smth less noticeable.also will ppl be able to notice?
Thx so much guys


r/vce 10h ago

General Question/comment Is it spec or spesh

2 Upvotes

How do you abbreviate the word specialist???! The first 4 letters are spec so that's how I feel like it should be abbreviated, but the sound is the sh sound so that's why they do spesh. But that looks so wrong. It looks so ugly spelling it like that. That literally connotes speshialist. It should be spec. Or am I crazy??


r/vce 18h ago

Alternate Pathways into Medicine in Australia?

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9 Upvotes

r/vce 14h ago

is it recommended to do textbook chapter reviews again and then do methods exams?

3 Upvotes

we finished the content/sacs and now we just do past exams every lesson but i am so lost in tech free because this whole time i neglected CAS free maths since the SACs were using the CAS

do i just do super old exam questions to help my calculation skills, textbook or just do the normal exams?

but i also wanna prioritise exam 2 as well cause apparently its harder


r/vce 12h ago

Homework Question Help on a Crafting Texts CAT

2 Upvotes

I am in year 10 and have a crafting texts cat on transitions next monday, the essay I picked was argumentative ted talk on neurological disorders because I have one. But we had a practice cat yesterday and the title was changing tides and I just didnt know what to write about at all and wrote 2 paragraphs in the 90 minutes and scribbled out atlest 5 paragraphs that I thought where not good enough and I just want to try me best across this week to just improve it. Any tips?


r/vce 12h ago

General Question/comment RMIT Early Entry

2 Upvotes

Hey
Does RMIT do a non star based early entry? If so how do I apply?
Thanks :)


r/vce 12h ago

i got accepeted for uni early entry but i need to secure a 25 study score in english, what would i need?

2 Upvotes

sac scores lowkey been mid


r/vce 10h ago

Can I still get a good atar?

0 Upvotes

Hiii,
So my sac scores right now for most of my subjects are not looking super good (50-60s mostly, but some 40s) if my rank is low but I do well in my end of year exams can that help? I need. 82 for my course and I’m really scared bc my rank os also not that good (I’m just assuming with what the average sac scores are and my performance) so can my exam REALLY help or have my sac scores impacted it? I’m also saying this bc I don’t think my cohort is a strong one 😭😭


r/vce 10h ago

VCE question Predicted Study Score Software Dev

0 Upvotes

Got 73% pretty much on everything
I’m
2/6 in my cohort
thanks


r/vce 10h ago

What ss do you reckon

0 Upvotes

Im doing genny just got result for final sac and my teacher said that my coursework grade is 97%. Sadly my school doesn’t reveal sac ranking but I presume im ranked decently high (hopefully). 4 people have 100% avg in a cohort of 150 students roughly, and im in a decently high ranked priv school.

What study score do you think I could get and what exam marks would deliver that?


r/vce 10h ago

Do i still have hope

0 Upvotes

My % for unit 3 was 92 and now i dropped to 74% for unit 4
Is it still possible to get 40+ in gen maths…??


r/vce 10h ago

In a spesh class of 8, how much does ranking really matter

1 Upvotes

For context, I’m rank 3 but only like 3 percent on total average for the year behind rank 1. Am I actually at that much of a disadvantage, cos I keep hearing that I’ll get the exam score of the 3rd best exam as my sacs which could be pretty bad and doesn’t sound very fair to me considering I’m not behind by that much. Study score calcs say I’m like automatically 2 points down on study score by this ranking but is this really true


r/vce 11h ago

VCE question Tips for French oral because I haven’t properly started studying or researching yet

1 Upvotes

I do French online through Vsl and I’ve gotten ok not great marks on sacs (37/50u3 and 13/15u4 so far(marks for sac2 tbc, sac3 next week), but my sac3 is like a 4 min version of the discussion topic of my oral exam. I have chosen: The influence French colonialism had on Vietnamese food culture (my teacher told me to go niche 🫠) and I’m really stressed about it. I have been sick for a bit with a lung infection and I haven’t been able to properly research my topic thoroughly. I am wondering if you have any tips or tricks for me to research the right material and if I should write out my whole discussion, I don’t really know how it works. Thanks so much, I’m not trying to shoot for the stars in French but a 29+ raw is my goal. My actual oral is 13th oct btw, but I have mocks on the 15th and 20th and another in the holidays


r/vce 11h ago

Methods 1/2 harder questions

1 Upvotes

I am currently in year 11 doing methods 1/2. I find the school test and content relatively easy because I did an accelerated math program in year 11 so i've already learnt the content.

How do I get better at tackling difficult questions/ find difficult 1/2 questions because i want to build these skills to solve seperators/hard questions next year.

OR should I prelearn 3/4 content to get ahead.


r/vce 17h ago

How hard is a Eng lang 40ss

3 Upvotes

If your sacs are bad are you cooked or can exam save you


r/vce 12h ago

chinese sl oral

1 Upvotes

Hi guys, do you have any tips on how to make your responses more natural because I dont want to make it sound too memorised or does it not matter that much.

And how is everyone going in their GC and cutral study.


r/vce 23h ago

General Question/comment Exam Revision

7 Upvotes

so does anybody know how to actually study and prepare yourself for exams??

like, should i really be using a notebook to skim through every textbook for every area of study per unit or what.

past students or anyone doing exam revision now please tell me how and what you're doing 🙏

how'd you balanced your schedule, what resources and materials you used and whatnot

my ideal go to is using OneNote + textbook + past papers but i ain't sure that's enough


r/vce 13h ago

VCE question Does it matter if i only do 5 subjects in year 11?

1 Upvotes

I’m not sure about other schools but at mine we do 6 subjects in year 11 then drop to 5 in year 12. One of the subjects i am currently doing is health and human development and i hate it so much. I know for sure that i will drop it next year when we drop to 5 subjects.

I am wondering if it matters if i actually drop it now (term 3 of year 11) since HHD wouldn’t contribute to anything anyway if i know i am not doing it next year. I know it couldn’t affect my ATAR because that is based on only unit 3 and 4 subjects but im just curious if it affects any other aspect or if there are any other benefits of continuing a unit 2 subject all the way through just to drop it before unit 3 because i want to do really well and get into a good university.

Also, im sure this depends on the specific school but i was wondering if there was anything specific i need to be permitted a reduced study load.


r/vce 14h ago

Is anyone else here studying We Come with This Place for English?

1 Upvotes

I’m not really sure why my school chose this book, especially because it’s surprisingly difficult to find detailed analysis and resources about it online. I suppose that’s a bit of a double-edged sword, it makes the text more challenging to study independently, but at the same time, it means there’s probably more room for us to develop our own interpretations rather than relying too heavily on existing analyses.
I was wondering if anyone else is studying it and would be interested in sharing ideas, interpretations, useful resources, or general information about the text. It would be great to hear how other people are approaching it.


r/vce 1d ago

When Cambridge can't be bothered...

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102 Upvotes

r/vce 1d ago

Does anyone have resources for using Wolfram Mathematica?

3 Upvotes

Anything like a bound reference of commands, any textbooks that show mathematica commands, or something that could be of help, I'd really appreciate it.

Thanks


r/vce 21h ago

News Possible ATARA if 75?

0 Upvotes

Is it possible for me to get an ATAR of 75?
- my school does better on English and most subjects than the state for context

Very high = top top of cohort
High = top in cohort
Medium = average in cohort
Low + bottom of cohort 
Very low = bottom 

THESE ARE NOT GRADES, JUST RANK FOR THE COHORT ONLY

PSYCH: 78 (top end of medium)
68, 68 (medium)
73 (medium)
65 (medium) 
78 (top of medium) 

GEN MATHS 40 (Low
89,89 (high)
62 (medium)
85 (top of medium)

LEGAL 75 and 60 (1 sac split into 2 (low on both)
68 (medium)
68 (medium) 
76 (medium)

English 65 (high end of medium)
85 (medium)
65 and 75 (low and medium)
70 (medium)
68 (medium)

Vis com 80(high)
80 (medium)
82 (medium)
86 (high)
82 (high)

Exam estimation 
Legal = 75
Psych = 77
Gen math = 74,75
English = 6.8
Vis com = 76