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u/Nine_Monkeys 42m ago
What is the source of this? Couldnāt find anything when searching online. Feels fake, how would we know where every single ātech executiveā lives?
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u/Nine_Monkeys 37m ago
I just checked my home state and there are two data centers right in the center of downtown Atlanta. Am I supposed to believe that there isnāt a single executive of a tech company that lives in the entire city of Atlanta?
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u/burtch1 1h ago
Yeah? That's how property values work, you wouldn't build one in a city tech execs are encouraged to live in cities, this isn't even a gated communities issue this would always happen for remote infrastructure, try mapping grocery store ceos who live within 5 miles of a cattle ranch
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u/Important_Penalty_21 1h ago
What are the upsides to Data Centers?
| # | Potential benefit | Reality check |
|---|---|---|
| 1 | Substantial local tax revenue | Property, equipment and utility taxes can materially increase municipal revenue. In mature Virginia markets, data centers supplied anywhere from under 1% to 31% of local revenue. Tax abatements can reduce this considerably. |
| 2 | Large private capital investment | A campus can represent billions in buildings, servers, electrical systems and cooling equipment. This enlarges the assessable tax base without adding many residents. |
| 3 | Major construction employment | Construction can support electricians, pipefitters, equipment operators and other trades. A typical Virginia facility reportedly had about 1,500 workers onsite at peak constructionābut construction generally lasts only 12ā18 months per building. |
| 4 | Well-paid permanent positions | Technicians, engineers, security personnel and facility managers can earn strong wages. The catch is the number: a typical 250,000-square-foot facility may employ only about 50 people, including contractors. |
| 5 | Business for local suppliers | Construction materials, electrical contractors, maintenance, security, cleaning, landscaping and food services can generate secondary economic activity. |
| 6 | Economic diversification | Data centers can give communities an additional industrial tax base less dependent on retail, housing or a single traditional employer. |
| 7 | Power and fiber investment | Projects may bring substations, transmission, fiber routes and new generation. This only becomes a public benefit when the developer pays a fair share and the infrastructure serves others. |
| 8 | Industrial-site redevelopment | Properly located facilities can reuse brownfields, former factories, retired power plants or otherwise difficult industrial land. |
| 9 | Low operational traffic | After construction, a data center normally produces much less daily traffic, parking demand and truck activity than a warehouse, shopping center or large factory. |
| 10 | Essential digital capacity | Data centers support cloud computing, communications, hospitals, banking, government systems and increasingly AI services. Local proximity can improve capacity and resilience, though it does not automatically give local residents faster internet. |
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u/Hot_Context_1393 1h ago
If they are so great, why don't CEOs live near them?
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u/Important_Penalty_21 1h ago
Because the bulk of data centers are located in rural areas, heavy industrial or specializes server hubs like Ashburn. Most of them have homes in more residential areas.
I've spent most of my career in and out of data centers. Its not some horrific black hole that consumes the world around them.
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u/Big_Tap_1561 58m ago
If itās done right. The problem is they want to spend as least as possible and thatās not how to do it right.
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u/Important_Penalty_21 55m ago
And that is different from anything else these days?
The reality is every one of us live in a world that we access these data centers nearky every waking moment. Either directly or indirectly. Without them life as we know it would come to a grinding halt.
So everyone put down your smartphones, tablets and computers. Turn off your television and personal assistants. If we all did that there would be no need for these data centers.
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u/Big_Tap_1561 52m ago
No we could just stop building data centers . We have enough.
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u/Important_Penalty_21 51m ago
How do you see that?
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u/Big_Tap_1561 49m ago
Is your smart phone working? Your tablet ? Your television and personal assistants? Then we have enough.
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u/Important_Penalty_21 41m ago
You dont see the increase in needs? I mean just yesterday we had issues with many internet providers including ChatGPT.
The problem is we keep growing. Population increases, demand increases. Devices keep getting more and more powerful we expect better experiences for everything we do. It takes more processing power.
Again if we all turned off our technology they would not be needed.
Where do you think your social media services live?
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u/Big_Tap_1561 35m ago
Ohh I see it. I just wish I could stop it. This whole thing needs to be slowed down to a crawl until we have proper legislation and actual safe gaurds. Weāre talking serious military applications. Agents getting loose. There is endless threats and dangers with this technology and everyone in the tech community could care less. āMove fast and break shitā - NO this needs to be stopped until we can safely proceed.
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u/homelessguydiet 1h ago
6 years - 71 karma says it all
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u/Dependent_Singer_494 1h ago
The fact you looked for something about them to critique without discussing what he brought up says it all mate.
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u/Important_Penalty_21 59m ago
The problem is they have no ability to think beyond the things they have been told to think.
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u/Hitlers_Left_Ball 1h ago
https://www.datacentermap.com/usa/
It's not hard to be more than 5 miles from one though... is it!?
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u/homelessguydiet 1h ago
I think you missed the point
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u/Hitlers_Left_Ball 1h ago
No, I didn't.
I added context to your click bait... or is that what you mean by missing the point - I didn't clap like a seal for your disingenuous post?
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u/supercleverid 1h ago
So it's not interesting that the people who decide where AI datacenters are to be built invariably decide not to build any anywhere near them? You don't think that's interesting at all?
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u/homelessguydiet 1h ago
He's ragebaiting to get people angry like any good chode...
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u/Hitlers_Left_Ball 1h ago
I'm rage baiting? Coming from someone posting bullshit gotcha, with no understanding of what you're talking about.
Sure thing buddy. Sure thing.
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u/Hitlers_Left_Ball 1h ago
How close is the nearest one to you? Do you live within 5 miles of one... would you even know?
People with no understanding of what a DC actually is are assuming these huge AI ones they see on the news are the only kind in existence. Some of them are small little 2 story buildings in the middle of commercial/indusztrial estates.
So no, it's not interesting or a surprise to me that these people don't live within an arbitrary 5 mile distance. I bet you could re-use the map to show how many of them live within 5 miles of a fire station, hospital or police station...
You are angry about the wrong thing.
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u/commiscowboy Prefer Coffee But Fill My Cup š« 1h ago
I have 2 within a 2.5 mile radius
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u/homelessguydiet 1h ago
No shit? Does it improve anything in your life...
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u/commiscowboy Prefer Coffee But Fill My Cup š« 35m ago
Not at all I avoid AI like the plague
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u/homelessguydiet 33m ago
Me too..
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u/Hitlers_Left_Ball 31m ago
Aww what a cute little circle jerk you two have going.
Careful not to pull a muscle.
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u/Hitlers_Left_Ball 1h ago
Ok, and what meaningful impact do they have on your life?
I would wager almost none, you probably have almost no idea they are there on a day to day basis.
But internet bad I guess?
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u/commiscowboy Prefer Coffee But Fill My Cup š« 1h ago
My utilities have gone up 30% this year and there are multiple concerns with water quality in my area.
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u/Hitlers_Left_Ball 1h ago
What does the DC have to do with your utilities, what is the average increase across the US?
Multiple concerns about water quality. What did the DC do to your water?
I'll be honest, it sounds like you are picking the common headlines from the news and using them as examples.
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u/commiscowboy Prefer Coffee But Fill My Cup š« 40m ago
Keep rage baiting. I hope you have 100 data centers move into your neighborhood so you can find out.
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u/supercleverid 1h ago
Because not 100% of the general population has an AI datacenter within 5 miles of their homes we should just ignore that 0% of a privileged population who decides to place AI datacenters near other people's homes has never decided to place any near their own homes? That's a way to think I guess?
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u/Hitlers_Left_Ball 1h ago
Simplification is like an artform to you.
You have no idea what you are talking about, you're just yelling talking points into the void and telling yourself you're right.
See you in 6 months when the new media boogey man replaces this as your personality.
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u/supercleverid 1h ago
So much irony.
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u/Hitlers_Left_Ball 1h ago
Not at all. Unlike you I have experience in Data Centres, I know how they operate. You were just told what to be afraid of and are barking like a good little doggy.
Out of interest - why was the line drawn at 5 miles, seems a little arbitrary to me. Doing some surface level checks I can find:
Palm Beach County hostsĀ 4 active data centers, operated by providers including IPTP Networks, Equinix, and CogentĀ www.ocolo.io. These facilities offer colocation services and vary in power capacity, connectivity, and service offerings, catering to enterprise IT and cloud infrastructure needs. West Palm Beach, a major city in the county, specifically has 5 data centers and 3 providers, highlighting its growing role as a regional hub for digital infrastructure.
These are all within 20 miles of the Mar a Lago.
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u/Tomatoesarentfruit 1h ago
Additionally, the majority of the data centers in the US are very small facilities - there are only some 500 operational 100MW class hyperscale data centers in the country. I would also add that in most of the countyās/towns where smaller scale data centers have been built - original opposition fell by the wayside once the data center turned on began subsidizing a large portion of county / town plublic spending
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u/Vissanna 1h ago
I think it hit home really when ai datacenters for texas requested 484MW of energy...... thats more than 40% of the entire United States energy output
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u/Tomatoesarentfruit 1h ago
MW are a measure of power (the rate of energy production at a specific moment), not a measure of energy, so this doesnāt make a ton of sense. Also to be clear the US has peak installed capacity of ~1.3 TW; 484 MW represents ~0.04% of total US capacity, not 40%
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u/Jah_Rules 1h ago
https://giphy.com/gifs/3tTg6UVj3mV6QmgURz