r/SuicideWatch Sep 03 '19

New wiki on how to avoid accidentally encouraging suicide, and how to spot covert incitement

1.8k Upvotes

We've been seeing a worrying increase in pro-suicide content showing up here and, and also going unreported. This undermines our purpose here, so we wanted to highlight and clarify our guidelines about both direct and indirect incitement of suicide.

We've created a wiki that covers these issues. We hope this will be helpful to anyone who's wondering whether something's okay here and which responses to report. It explains in detail why any validation of suicidal intent, even an "innocent" message like "if you're 100% committed, I'll just wish you peace" is likely to increase people's pain, and why it's important to report even subtle pro-suicide comments. The full text of the wiki's current version is below, and it is maintained at /r/SuicideWatch/wiki/incitement.

We deeply appreciate everyone who gives responsive, empathetic, non-judgemental support to our OPs, and we particularly thank everyone who's already been reporting incitement in all forms.

Please report any post or comment that encourages suicide (or that breaks any of the other guidelines in the sidebar) to the moderators, either by clicking the "report" button or by sending us a modmail with a link. We deal with all guideline violations that are reported to us as soon as we can, but we can't read everything so community reports are essential. If you get a PM that breaks the guidelines, please report it both to the reddit sitewide admins and to us in modmail.

Thanks to all the great citizens of the community who help flag problem content and behaviour for us.


/r/SuicideWatch/wiki/incitement


Summary

It's important to respect and understand people's experiences and emotions. It's never necessary, helpful, or kind to support suicidal intent. There are some common misconceptions (discussed below) about suicidal people and how to help them that can cause well-meaning people to inadvertently incite suicide. There are also people online who incite suicide on purpose, often while pretending to be sympathetic and helpful.

Validate Feelings and Experiences, Not Self-Destructive Intentions

We're here to offer support, not judgement. That means accepting, with the best understanding we can offer, whatever emotions people express. Suicidal people are suffering, and we're here to try to ease that by providing support and caring. The most reliable way we know to de-escalate someone at risk is to give them the experience of feeling understood. That means not judging whether they should be feeling the way they are, or telling them what to do or not do.

But there's an important line to draw here. There's a crucial difference between empathizing with feelings and responding non-judgmentally to suicidal thoughts, and in any way endorsing, encouraging, or validating suicidal intentions or hopeless beliefs. It's both possible and important to convey understanding and compassion for someone's suicidal thoughts without putting your finger on the scale of their decision.

Anything that condones suicide, even passively, encourages suicide. It isn't supportive and does not help. It also violates reddit's sitewide rules as well as our guidelines. Explicitly inciting suicide online is a criminal offense in most jurisdictions.

Do not treat any OP's post as meaning that will definitely die by suicide and can't change their minds or be helped. Anyone who's able to read the comments here still has a chance to choose whether or not to try to keep living, even if they've also been experiencing intense thoughts of suicide, made a suicide plan, or started carrying it out.

In the most useful empirical model we have, the desire to die by suicide primarily comes from two interpersonal factors; alienation and a sense of being a burden or having nothing to offer. These factors usually lead to a profound feeling of being unwelcome in the world.

So, any acceptance or reinforcement of suicidal intent, even something "innocent" like "I hope you find peace", is actually a form of covert shunning that validates a person's sense that they're unwelcome in the world. It will usually add to their pain even if kindly meant and gently worded.

How to Avoid Validating Suicidal Intent

Keep the following in mind when offering support to anyone at risk for suicide.

  • People who say they don't want help usually can feel better if they get support that doesn't invalidate their emotions. Unfortunately, many popular "good" responses are actually counterproductive. In particular, many friends and family tend to rely exclusively on trying to convince the suicidal person that "it's not so bad", and this is usually experienced as "I don't understand what you're going through and I'm not going to try". People who've had "help" that made them feel worse don't want any more of the same. It doesn't mean that someone who actually knows how to be supportive can't give them any comfort.

  • Most people who are suicidal want to end their pain, not their lives. It's almost never true that death is the only way to end these people's suffering. Of course there are exceptional situations, and we certainly acknowledge that, for some people, the right help can be difficult to find. But preventing someone's suicide doesn't mean prolonging their suffering if we do it by giving them real comfort and understanding.

  • An unfixable problem doesn't mean that a good life will never be possible. We don't have to fix or change anything to help someone feel better. It's important to keep in mind that the correlation between our outer circumstances and our inner experience is weaker and less direct than commonly assumed. For every kind of difficult life situation, you will find some people who lapse into suicidal despair, and others who cope amazingly well, and a whole spectrum in between. A key difference is how much inner resilience the person has at the time. This can depend on many personal and situational factors. But when there's not enough, interpersonal support can both compensate for its absence and help rebuild it. We go into more depth on the "it gets better" issue in this PSA Post which is always linked from our sidebar (community info on mobile) guidelines.

  • There are always more choices than brutally forcing someone to stay alive or passively letting them end their lives.

To avoid accidentally breaking the anti-incitement rule, don't say or try to imply that acting on suicidal thoughts is a good idea, or that someone can't turn back or is already dead. Do whatever you can to help them feel cared for and welcome, at least in this little corner of the world. Our talking tips offer more detailed guidance.

Look Out for Deliberate Incitement. It May Come in Disguise.

Often comments that subtly encourage suicidal intent actually come from suicide fetishists and voyeurs (unfortunately this is a real and disturbing phenomenon). People like this are out there and the anonymous nature of reddit makes us particularly attractive to them.

They will typically try to scratch their psychological "itch" by saying things that push people closer to the edge. They often do this by exploiting the myths that we debunked in the bullet points above. Specifically you might see people doing the following:

  • Encouraging the false belief that the only way suicidal people can end their pain is by dying. There are always more and better choices than "brutally forcing someone to stay alive" or helping (actively or passively) them to end their lives.

  • Creating an artificial and toxic sense of "solidarity" by linking their encouragement of suicide to empathy. They will represent themselves as the only one who really understand the suicidal person, while either directly or indirectly encouraging their self-loathing emotions and self-destructive impulses. Since most people in suicidal crisis are in desperate need to empathy and understanding, this is a particularly dangerous form of manipulation.

Many suicide inciters are adept at putting a benevolent spin on their activities while actually luring people away from sources of real help. A couple of key points to keep in mind:

  • Skilled suicide intervention -- peer or professional -- is based on empathic responsiveness to the person's feelings that reduces their suffering in the moment. Contrary to pop-culture myths, it does not involve persuasion ("Don't do it!"), cheerleading ("You've got this!") or meaningless false promises ("Trust me, it gets better!"), or invalidation ("Let me show you how things aren't as bad as you think!"). Anyone who leads others to expect these kinds of toxic responses, or any other response that prolongs their pain, from expert help may be covertly pro-suicide. (Of course, people sometimes do have bad experience when seeking mental-health treatment, and it's fine to vent about those, but processing our own disappointment and frustration is entirely different from trying to destroy someone else's hope of getting help.)

  • Choices made by competent responders are always informed by the understanding that breaching someone's trust is traumatic and must be avoided if possible. Any kind of involuntary intervention is an extremely unlikely outcome when someone consults a clinician or calls a hotline. (Confidentiality is addressed in more detail in our Hotlines FAQ wiki). The goal is always to provide all help with the client's full knowledge and informed consent. We know that no individual or system is perfect. Mistakes that lead to bad experiences do sometimes happen to vulnerable people, and we have enormous sympathy for them. But anyone who suggests that this is the norm might be trying to scare people away from the help they need.

Please let us know discreetly if you see anyone exhibiting these or similar behaviours. We don't recommend trying to engage with them directly.


r/SuicideWatch Sep 10 '21

Please remember that NO ACTIVISM of any kind is ever allowed here. No matter what day it is.

718 Upvotes

Activism, i.e. advocating or fundraising for social change or raising awareness of social issues (and suicide is, inescapably, a social issue) is absolutely against the rules here at all times.

Please understand that we're all for smart, strategic mental-health and suicide-prevention activism. It's essential to fight against stigma, misinformation, and discrimination, and to fight for research, treatment, accommodation, acceptance, and understanding. Most of us, one way or another, are mental-health activists IRL.

But activism just doesn't work in a dedicated support space that serves a vulnerable population. We used to allow it but the evidence that it was undermining our primary purpose became overwhelming. We do regret the need for this rule, but the need is inescapable.

Our population is all too well aware of the issues and causes that need support and largely not in a position to take action, so besides the fact that activism is often salt in our community's wounds, it's a waste of the activists' time.

tl;dr Any fundraising, awareness raising, petitions, calls for participation, or any post that's about any cause or issue (rather than a request for personal support) is not allowed here. Please report everything of the nature that you see.


r/SuicideWatch 8h ago

My husband died at 29, I am burying him on his birthday tomorrow

173 Upvotes

I can’t go on. I can’t. He died in a motorcycle crash. We have been trying for a baby for a year. We would have had our appointment today to start shots and our doctor was adamant that this would be the month we finally got pregnant. He’s been taken from me and I can’t breathe. I can’t even go back to my home. I can’t go on. I can’t go on without him. He was my everything. My best friend. We were attached at the hip.

I don’t remember a lot, but I know I left my mom and sister’s home in the night while everyone was asleep and I walked over 3 miles to get to mine and my husband’s home. I had this sudden urge and this pull that if I could just get to mine and my husband’s house where his guns were, then I was going to follow him. I could and would finally be with him again. I would follow him. I always told him I would follow him wherever he would go. And I meant that.. because I loved him with a love deeper than anything else in this world.

I work for a police department. One of the officers out patrolling saw me and called in the supervisor on their shift and they made me stop. They wouldn’t let me go. I was so close. I was only another two miles away from being with him again. They took away the means for me to be with my husband.

I need to be with him. I need to know another way that isn’t painful that I can be with my soulmate again. He was my everything. We had our whole lives together ahead of us. I am not me without him. I can’t bear to take another breath without him here.


r/SuicideWatch 7h ago

Rather be dead than go to a job fair

62 Upvotes

I'm hoping I die on the way to this job fair or on the way back. I just don't want to do any of this anymore, I need to make a suicide plan or get some idea of how I need to go before I end up having to do some job I don't want even for a week. I'm 24 and this adult shit hasn't been fun or fulfilling and I can't make it that way if I don't have some kind of privilege. This isn't looking worth living to me and I have to let go of this life. I need to get over not knowing what comes in the afterlife and just do it. Stop thinking about what keeps me here and just go.

I cant get the hope to be dead to just be reality.


r/SuicideWatch 1h ago

I’ve made a plan, I’m at peace

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I (24F) recently stumbled upon a method I hadn’t heard of or thought of before. It is supposedly efficient, fast, and relatively painless. I decided today I’m going to do it. I’ve acquired all the materials and chosen a spot to pass under my favorite willow tree. In the next couple weeks, I’ll completely clean my apartment so no one has to see how I was living. I will write a note, and prepare boxes for people of items I want them to have. I feel very peaceful and prepared to go. I reconnected with my ex last night and it brought up a lot of feelings. Mostly how completely and utterly unlovable I am. No one ever chooses me. It’s not like I will be missed by these people. Everyone has a first choice and it’s never me. That’s okay, I wouldn’t choose me either, and I’ve accepted that. I think I can finally be somewhat happy knowing my time is coming.


r/SuicideWatch 3h ago

I simply see no reason for my existence

16 Upvotes

Day in day out no purpose just functional there is no longer any thrill to living


r/SuicideWatch 14h ago

I remember a time when i didnt want to die. my life has been shit since I suddenly developed suicidal thoughts at age 19. i’m 32 now. life is horrible. i was supposed to do great things. i’m a fucking doordasher and barista now. i have no money. i have hardly any friends. i have no will to live

88 Upvotes

fuck


r/SuicideWatch 3h ago

I really hate other people

9 Upvotes

.


r/SuicideWatch 3h ago

Is there someone here who can talk to me? I’m having suicidal thoughts and it’s really bad

10 Upvotes

Please


r/SuicideWatch 7h ago

Getting comfort knowing there's a way out

19 Upvotes

I've been researching suicide methods for the past few days and it honestly feels like a coping skill. Knowing there's a way out of my brain gives me comfort and gets me through the day. My brain is in overdrive 24/7 and I live in a world where my negative thoughts are reality. I cannot separate the thoughts from reality despite therapy. I am incredibly exhausted, and if I can't get my life back and enjoy it, then there is no point in continuing this song and dance.

I am hoping that I get lucky and just die naturally, but knowing that if I need to I can jump in front of a train or something is comforting.


r/SuicideWatch 1h ago

I don't think I'm going to be able to live a good life anymore

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I am 12 soon to be 13, I have been suffering from gender dysphoria and Body dyspmorphia for 1 year and 6 or more months. I live in a household that does not welcome people like me.

Well, let's start the story from the beginning. I was around 11, I have gotten myself into the AI chatbot scene, I know it sounds horrible, but somehow, someway I started questioning my identity as well with it. This went on for a few months, then I stumbled uppon Twitter (I still hate it, but I keep coming back to it). I searched up furry art because I recently watched Beastars, but as I scrolled I stumbled uppon NSFW art which started my furry porn addiction. I felt disgusted with myself, even if I didn't touch myself. It made me become anxious about sexual topics, like really. I never want to hear of them.

The first half of 6th grade is... A fog. I cannot remember what happened in that half, but I know I had started to want to kill myself. It only worsened. In the first month of 2026 I found friends who I played with, but one if them made me think I have no problems and they were made up, they were also transphobic.

By then I had quit the AI platform and stopped watching that disgusting thing. Summer went as usual... Then in the last few days something shifted in me. Whenever I felt any emotion I went numb, I felt numb. I don't know what this is, but I have a bad feeling. This means I'm becoming weaker

I might die.

My bet for how long I have is this year is my last.

Also I'm proud of the trans people who survived an enviroment like mine. Keep living on.🤗


r/SuicideWatch 5h ago

tonight im gonna do it

12 Upvotes

i cant take it anymore guys. i miss him sm it hurts itll never go away i have every reason to kms rn.


r/SuicideWatch 6h ago

I have lost interest in life

10 Upvotes

I just see that we are meant to suffer meaninglessly and it can always get worse.

I am an antinatalist and I do not look forward to anything. I am having really depressive days. what to do :(


r/SuicideWatch 8h ago

death seems easier than living

16 Upvotes

So you're telling me that venting, y'know, VENTING is actually something only adults do, so obviously you should be over 18 to vent, right Reddit? It's almost funny when you're trying to help your own mental health and find people you can talk to because you cant talk to your family, you're not allowed therapy, and calling support lines is out of the question but Reddit swoops in and says no, no I'd rather you were dead. It seems to be an awfully good idea to die, i mean, who even wants me alive, it's not like I can get support from anywhere? I'm just one dead body.


r/SuicideWatch 3h ago

Ending my life to make the world a better place because I am evil

6 Upvotes

Okay, so I am a recovering addict, I've been clean for one year. I made two mistakes today which I took it as me destined to be a failure. I got dysregulated and started blowing up my therapist's phone.

She eventually called me back and said that if I can't apply the skills she gives me, she'd have to probably quit and refer me to an IOP or a PHP. I already got to check with my PO once a week, do community service once a week, I work a regular full-time job, and doing an IOP or PHP wold get in the way with that.

So I yelled at her. I yelled at her and told her "Thank you for single handedly ruining my life. YOU RUINED IT"

Well, she got upset and she said she never said that, she said that it might have to get to that if I don't learn to follow the skills she provides for me. I then realize I was out of line.

Which made me realize... I do yell at people when I get emotionally dysregulated. I am an abusive person and I need to end my life to make the world a better place. And sadly, that's the only way to do it.


r/SuicideWatch 55m ago

I give up

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I have been with a girl and she was the love of my life like she healed what I didn’t know was broken and she is pregnant with mine ( 100%sure) and then she broke up with me and refuses to get back together and now I can’t find any motivation to do anything or even care and I’m about to say f it and commit because I can’t keep going when she keeps pushing me away and all I need is her and I’ve tried to explain it over and over but she never listens and idk what to do and I just give up


r/SuicideWatch 7h ago

Hi

11 Upvotes

Honest I may die after school I can’t do this


r/SuicideWatch 1h ago

I can’t keep going. Trying to make money to keep food on the table, lost two kids and I just can’t

Upvotes

I’m grieving badly for two of my kids. One left with me. Need money badly and if I die I have an insurance policy. I am struggling to find the next breath and everyone who says they are there for me is so far away and just gives platitudes and nothing meaningful. I want the pain to be over.

My wife had to take a rope off me but I know where she has put it. She made me promise not to do anything but when I’m sitting here and the pain keeps smacking me in the guts I just don’t want to go on.


r/SuicideWatch 1h ago

I have nothing left but my own loneliness

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How do you make a friend? How can you be a good friend? I wasn’t able to connect to anyone from school or anywhere I have worked. I talk to maybe two people at this point. I don’t want to worry them with my passive suicidality. My chronic loneliness has taken such a toll on not only my physical health, but my mental health as well. I can barely remember anything. No matter how much I eat, I only end up severely underweight.

My body is so weak and cold. I can’t remember the last time a friend just held me. At the same time, I don’t want to be held. I honestly don’t want to have that hope of connection, just to have it ripped away because I always end up messing it all up again in the end.

I’m not making it to my birthday. I’m going to be 22 in a month & have nothing to show for it. I can barely keep a job. I cannot afford to even rent a room. I gave up dreaming about my future YEARS ago. I honestly cannot believe I would ever marry & have children. Or that I even deserve it. I fucking hate myself. I want to figure out a way to end my misery that is painless. I want to just rest somewhere where no one else will ever find my corpse.


r/SuicideWatch 4h ago

I feel horrible

5 Upvotes

About who I am, I’m 16 but I’ve done the most pathetic and disgusting stuff and I’m mean, I’m so so mean to everybody. If God is real I know he’ll never forgive me and I’ve doubted his existence my whole life because I’m jealous, everyone tells me they got signs from him, I never did, are they all crazy or does he just hate me, what is wrong with me I feel like I’ve been cursed since birth, I feel so horrible for putting this religious facade up in front of my family, I don’t feel God, I don’t think he’s real but what if he is and I’m going to hell for all the stuff I’ve been saying and doing


r/SuicideWatch 2h ago

To Physical-Intention-9

3 Upvotes

Why did you block me? 😭 I sent you more proof about my situation, but it failed right before you blocked me. Please reach out to me I really needed your help. I feel so heavy right now.