r/FenceBuilding Sep 19 '24

Why Your Gate is Sagging.

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I've noticed this question gets asked ad nauseam in this sub, so here is a quick diagnostics checklist to help you understand what to look for before creating yet another "what's wrong with my gate" post (no pun intended on the post part):

  • Design: Not only should the frame members and posts be substantial to support the weight of the gate, but look at the gate's framing configuration in general. Does it have a diagonal wooden brace? If so, that means it's a compression brace and should be running from of the top of the frame on the latch side, to the bottom of the frame on the hinge side. Only with a metal truss rod is tension bracing agreeable when being affixed at the top of the frame on the hinge side, down to the bottom frame corner on the latch side. (note: there are other bracing configurations that use multiple angles that are also acceptable - e.g. short braces at each corner)
  • Purchase: Is each gate post plumb? The hinge post could be loose/leaning due lack of purchase in the ground which could mean: improper post depth (installers were rushing, lazy, or there's a Volkswagen Beetle obstructing the hole); insufficient use of cement (more than half a 50lb bag of Quikrete, Braiden); sparse soil conditions (over saturated, loose, or soft); or heaving due to frost (looking at you Minnesota).

  • Configuration/Orientation: One thing to look for is a "lone hinge post", whereby a gate is hung on a post that doesn't have a section or anchor point on the other side toward the top. If the material of the post has any flex to it (especially with a heavy gate), the post can start leaning over time. These posts may either need re-setting, or have bracing/anchoring installed on the opposite side from the gate (e.g. if up against house, affix to the house if possible). The ideal configuration would be to choose an orientation of the gate where the hinge side has fence section attached on the other side - even though the traffic flow through the gate might be better with an opposite swing (but that's getting into the weeds).

    • It's also worth noting that the gate leaf spacing should be 1/2" or more. Some settling isn't out of the ordinary, but if there's only 1/4" between the latch stile and the post, you're more than likely going to see your gate rubbing.
  • Warping: If your gate is wood, it has a decent chance of warping as it releases moisture. Staining wood can help seal in moisture and mitigate warping. Otherwise, some woods, like Cedar, have natural oils and resins that help prevent warping, but even then, it's not warp-proof.

  • Hardware: Sounds simple, but sometimes the hinges are just NFG or coming unfastened.

  • Florida: Is there a FEMA rep walking around your neighborhood as you noticed your gate laying in your neighbors' Crotons? Probably a hurricane. Move out of Florida and find a gate somewhere else that won't get hit with 100+mph winds, or stop being picky.

I could be missing some other items, but this satisfies the 80/20 rule. The first bullet point will no doubt wipe out half the annoying "did the fence installers do this right?" posts. I'm not, however, opposed to discussing how to fix the issue once identified -- I feel like solving the puzzle and navigating obstacles is part of our makeup.

Source: a former New England (high end) fence installer of 15 years who works in an office now as a project manager with a bad back. Please also excuse any spelling and grammatical errors.


r/FenceBuilding 7h ago

What to do with end cuts?

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I built a simple picket fence using 8-foot 4” cedar decking, but the end cuts from the pickets have left me with about 400× 20-24” short boards (about 1/3 of them are in the stack shown). We burned the odd/triangular top cuts but it feels like I should be doing something more useful with all these boards. Suggestions?

Or maybe I should just burn them, they are excellent firewood. The local spruce/cedar mill where I got the lumber is only blocks from our house, and they take scrap to chip, so also a possibility.


r/FenceBuilding 5h ago

How's it looking? Any advice or tips? I haven't put up a fence in a long time.

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r/FenceBuilding 2h ago

Do I need an H brace at the end of every fence roll?

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If I’m building a woven wire fence do I need an h brace at the end of every roll or can I combine two rolls?


r/FenceBuilding 2h ago

Finally Proved Right

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r/FenceBuilding 4h ago

Is this a fair quote?

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This is for a 400 linear ft livestock fence for two goats NOT chain link. The fence is not attached to the house but the opening to a deck and would have a gate on both sides. The shape of the yard has three straight sides with about 90 degree angles and one side with a 120 degree angle and a sharp angle on the other end. There is no trees, bushes, or brush to clear out. We are in upstate SC. I feel like this is a little on the more expensive side from what I have seen and we are going to look at other companies, but we were trying to get an idea for a minimal and basic fence.

If the picture is not showing it would be $5400 and a $200 up charge for a slightly larger gate to fit a car through.

Use galvanized welded-wire fencing designed for livestock containment. Welded wire will be stretched and secured continuously along the fence line. - Standard materials, delivery, installation labor, fastening hardware, and normal job-site cleanup are included in the total price.


r/FenceBuilding 6h ago

6ft Privacy to 5ft Iron

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I am quoting fences right now and the plan is to have a side run of privacy and the back be wrought iron. Seems like 5ft is the universal/more affordable height for iron but I am worrying about how it will look against the 6ft cedar in the corner.. Anyone have this or can help sway me one way or the other ?


r/FenceBuilding 10h ago

Shadow pickets for wind--optimal layout?

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We live in Middle Tennessee. Spring and Fall are generally windy and we get periodic storms that deliver brief periods of high to very high winds (20mph+)

I'm in the middle of replacing our 8' high, 10' wide (double) gate it and about to install pickets. The old gate just had normal 8' pickets, one after the other-- this matches the rest of the fence but the gate would sometimes take a beating from the

This time, I'm considering using shadow pickets on the gate to help with wind stress on the gate and it's hardware. This should help, right?

Wondering about how much picket overlap I should plan on? Obviously, more overlap more privacy but also less benefit with regard to wind.


r/FenceBuilding 7h ago

Tying in a privacy fence to a hogwire and tpost fence?

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Anyone have ideas as to how I can best do this? There is about an 8 inch gap between my property and the wood privacy fence and the back hogwire fence that needs to be shored up. I don't have enough room to sink a post in and staple the hogwire onto it(the hogwire fence was already there) but I would like some sort of bridge to keep my animals in and other animals out. Ideas?


r/FenceBuilding 8h ago

Advice wanted for gate on concrete patio.

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Hello, I have a span of 84inches that I am in need of putting a gate in to close. The span is on a concrete patio approximately 6 inches from the edge of the slab. The span is between two durapoly porch posts. My wife would like a double gate if possible. I have no issue installing a drop pin kit. She would prefer vinyl if possible. I have seen the adjust a gate kits which would maybe work if she's fine with a wooden gate. I assume I would have to install posts of sort sort to attach the gate to, as I don't believe the columns would support a gate very well.

The gate would be going in against the pony wall to another column to the left of the photo.

Desired dimensions:

Height- 3 ft to 4 ft. Probably better at 4 ft due to kids and a dog.

Width- 84 inches max to include necessary associated supports.

If it matters the squared portion of the bottom of the durapoly post is at 40inches high from the concrete slab.

Thanks in advance for any advice on this project.


r/FenceBuilding 1d ago

Why cant you just give me a quote for 9 acres

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r/FenceBuilding 17h ago

Mighty mule ts571w help

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r/FenceBuilding 1d ago

Help! Need ideas for a fence in a difficult spot

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Hi all - I need to replace this chain link fence that sits on top of a retaining wall. It’s ugly and it doesn’t provide enough privacy (need a fence another 1-2 feet higher).

My initial thought was to dig posts holes on my side and install a wooden fence that would essentially be on my side of the property (where the pavers are removed). Problem: I started digging down and almost immediately hit concrete from the retaining wall that extends about a foot out from the retaining wall.

This was probably a given but also a huge upset.

I thought about installing metal posts on the retaining wall, but it’s only about 4” wide and I really don’t think I can get away with this without it cracking as the bolts/screws would be too close to the edge.

I’m stuck on what to do here. Shifting the fence over even further (eg another foot) really cuts down on my driveway space and is basically not an option.

Any ideas??


r/FenceBuilding 1d ago

I know this is wrong, but do I fix it?

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I decided to take off the diagonal brace to flip it so it’s running the correct direction. However, I’d need to make a small cut to make it fit. Before I do that, does this need a vertical brace in the middle for reinstall diagonal braces?

The gate is 4 1/2 feet across.


r/FenceBuilding 21h ago

How should I go about making a gate and fence in this area?

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r/FenceBuilding 1d ago

How to remove vinyl fence panel?

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Hello. I'm looking for tips on the best way to temporarily remove a vinyl fence panel without damaging the fence so I can get a large piece of heavy equipment in my yard.

I need to remove one of the panels shown.

Thanks for your time and any help!


r/FenceBuilding 2d ago

How did my fence contractor do?

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Photos with dog nose are from the other side, same panel with gap underneath.


r/FenceBuilding 1d ago

Can i re-use old post holes

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I have 2 rotted posts, way it’s constructed it’d be easy enough to disconnect the panels and pull out the posts. Existing posts are not cemented in and are literally just 4x4 posts buried 4 feet in, with 6 feet above ground. Trying to do this on a budget and quickly. Is it ok to reuse the existing post holes and just slide new posts in?


r/FenceBuilding 1d ago

Help my gate

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Hey so this was a fence section, I added the post the hinges are on and turned it into a gate.

Its been about a year and its twisted some.

What should I do to make it not happen. Would a cross bar in the middle really have stopped it?


r/FenceBuilding 1d ago

Exp tradesman, first fence

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Hey there. I’ve been a builder for two decades. Mostly remodeling kitchen and bath but I’ve built my own home, and did all the work from foundation to roof. A client I did some custom wainscoting and hidden doors for wants me to do his fence.

I’ve repaired fences, buried new posts and put in new panels, but never gone from scratch. My biggest concern is getting the layout of the property lines correct, and dealing with any underground surprises.

And I’m curious what I could expect to make per hour on my first job. I’m used to $400-800/day in doing my other work.

What else am I unaware of? I could say no to the work but I kinda want to give it a go.

Any tips for a sort of newb?


r/FenceBuilding 3d ago

Client asked for a curved fence!

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Built a custom 3' fence for a client this week. Had to brainstorm a bit, but this was the final product. Well still have some sanding and screwing. What do you all think?

Thanks everyone for the awesome support! I'm blown away by all the positive reactions! Honestly, this is the first time posting any of our builds, because, let's be real, Reddit can be scary when you're showing off your work!


r/FenceBuilding 2d ago

Diy fence with lifetime steel posts and adjust-a-gate

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Custom board-on-board cedar fence I just finished, aggregation of many ideas on this sub so thanks everyone!

I used 9ft lifetime steel posts buried 4 ft deep (MN). Built the topper on top of the top 2x4 that runs along the top of the posts. Really love those steel posts (and glad I'll never have to replace a rotten one...installing posts that deep is not fun!)


r/FenceBuilding 2d ago

Need to do something about my

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Edit: fence* wow can’t believe I missed that one in the title

Hi all,

Long time lurker first time poster. Ive got a fence in my front yard dividing my yard from my neighbor’s. Let me share that I was not the original installer here, and have tried to keep it together for as long as possible for the 3 years I’ve lived here (added some nails to pickets here and there) but need some advice on where to go now.

It was always whacky and looked like a shoddy install job and my attempts at getting it more structurally sound have failed.This year with all the storms and everything it’s rougher than ever: pickets falling off, things are disconnecting from posts, etc. I need to do something about it, I feel bad for my neighbor.

I don’t think the original install or maintenance was done properly, neighbor says it was installed about 5yrs ago.

Looking at everything here, is there anything salvageable? Some of the posts are in an awful state, I’d feel fine DIYing the new fencing if I could just leave the posts but I’m concerned with the really bad ones that I’ll have to tear them out and install new ones which is probably above my comfort level.

Any advice here? Burn it with fire and start anew? Any cheaper, DIY-able route with what I have left, particularly the posts?

Thanks in advance!


r/FenceBuilding 2d ago

Repaired my fence, how’d I do?

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The main fence post was rotting so I had to repair that and decided to redo the side completely. Main complaint is the gap in fence post but other than that pretty satisfied.


r/FenceBuilding 2d ago

Fence installation concerns

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Not sure if here or r/fence is better for this question