r/2007scape • u/Solo_Jawn 2277 • 6h ago
Humor POV: Jmods are proposing a new wilderness update.
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u/Bakugo_Dies 3h ago
Many players don't like content where the design is to be interrupted constantly. Surprise surprise.
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u/SomethingWetAndMoist 2h ago
What do you mean players don't like being sniped by bots and PK'd seconds later by someone world hopping looking for victims????
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u/spacepizza24 5h ago
Until the meta way to escape from and engage with PvP isn't world hopping I don't see how the attitude towards it will ever change.
If the intended way to engage with wilderness PvP is to logout and switch servers I'm sorry but that's not engaging with the game I like.
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u/poonmangler 6h ago
Without any context at all, having been away from the game for awhile now, I feel totally confident in assuming that it's entirely based on "incentivizing" non-PVP focused players with new resources and maybe clogs that are unobtainable elsewhere.
Perhaps they'll alter death or multi-combat mechanics in an attempt to give the victims a fighting chance - which of course we all know they'll never truly have.
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u/mr_Joor 4h ago
Cat and mouse games are only fun if the mice vastly outnumber the cats
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u/Magres 1h ago
Also when people actually willingly play as the mice. Being a slippery little weasel is fun, but not when it's an obligatory obstacle to something I'm trying to get done. I'm down to specifically go out and play a mouse role and be hunted and try to evade hunters, I'm not interested in being harassed while I'm trying to get my stupid mage cape quest done.
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u/gua_lao_wai parked at 2375 for... reasons 1h ago
i love the idea of being a slippery little weasel
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u/DivinumX 5h ago
I don't understand why Jagex can't understand that cat-and-mouse style gameplay isn't very engaging and fun for a lot of people. We tolerate it because they make the rewards too good to ignore. And the worst part being that fighting back is usually futile and leaves people, especially ones who are new with little wildy experience, vulnerable to skull tricks.
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u/Unlucky-Candidate198 5h ago edited 5h ago
The funniest part of pkers claiming they’re pvpers is that whole dynamic. Most people run away cause they find pkers annoying. When they finally meet someone who can actually pvp most of them melt. Personally I just 3 item or rags. In places like zombies you dscim spec and watch them die to mobs. In other places? Just abusing sight mechanics til you can logout or trying to anti-pk them.
It takes a certain personality type to want to cat and mouse people in the wildy all the time that don’t want to play your game. Then you’ve got the pk clan aspect with discords, world hopping, and alert bots they run alts for. The whole area is lame because of that.
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u/Level69Troll 5h ago
Single lamest thing of the wilderness is the alt account "flock cameras" I call them. I get why people do it and I dont know how they can effectively fix that, but it just kills a certain aspect of the idea of a PvP hotzone
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u/ErinTales 4h ago
This one is on Jagex for designing the bosses in such a way that any pker approaching has to go into the cave which gives anyone inside several seconds to teleport if they have a scout outside.
I'm not saying the old versions of the wildy bosses were good, but one upside was that they didn't have this issue at all.
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u/TheRealandUncutRaz 2376/2376 4h ago
I have never PvP'd in my life. I killed a dude ambushing me on the way to KBD the other day just by trying. I still hate the concept and wish they would clean up some of the cat and mouse loot pinata stuff but you are right, a lot of these guys just collapse.
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u/Aperiodic_Tileset 5h ago edited 5h ago
I don't understand why Jagex can't understand that cat-and-mouse style gameplay isn't very engaging and fun for a lot of people.
I'd say it can be engaging. I have deeply enjoyed EVE online for example. But in Runescape wilderness is just so much worse because there's a lot of garbage mechanics like people hopping on you or projectiles being visible beyond character render distance, or even the ability to completely hide your power.
For example on Revenants you just dip (log, run or tele) every time you see ANY player, and that's simply because you have like one second to react. If you can't instantly tell where is the player and how threatening he is, you just don't risk it, it makes no sense. And that one second is all the difference between dying and losing everything and living.
In EVE you can see when there's someone coming and you can make a very educated guess on what's their power and intention. The time you have to react is far greater, and you know where they're coming from. I've been doing exploration sites in wormholes and hostile null for several years and I've had blast playing the mouse in "cat and mouse" game. In Runescape? Fuck no
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u/LezBeHonestHere_ 4h ago
Even in Eve when someone decloaks right next to you, most cloaked ships have 5-10 seconds of targeting delay before they can even start locking you up, and then it takes longer after that to lock onto you. Then if they're still in range they can "teleblock" you. In addition to that, if they aren't cloaked, with d-scan your range of vision to see who's around you in the same area is (random example) as if you could see as far from crazy arch to bandit camp. Maybe even to ferox enclave honestly. 13 AU is a big % of some systems.
In osrs it's 1 game tick as soon as they appear on your screen before you get tb'ed and your range of vision is like 15 tiles lmfao.
I don't mind the wildy myself because it's basically 0 risk compared to playing in Eve, but you can really tell the pvp mechanics are not up to date with how the game actually plays right now. People are way way faster and more dangerous than they were in 2007.
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u/superfire444 4h ago
For example on Revenants you just dip (log, run or tele) every time you see ANY player, and that's simply because you have like one second to react. If you can't instantly tell where is the player and how threatening he is, you just don't risk it, it makes no sense. And that one second is all the difference between dying and losing everything and living.
This also means you have to teleport every 1-5 minutes. It's legit insane how often you encounter other players.
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u/Airtwit 5h ago
As someone who has won eve online i have very similar thoughts.
The type of ffa PvP you have in the wilderness, is in many ways very similar to the ffa PvP of eve, with similar consequences.
But in the area of mitigation/counterplay eve is a whole game designed around this core mechanic.
In osrs it only exists for historical reasons, and the whole combat system has really outgrown PvP (as evidenced by all the niche interactions)
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u/Magres 4h ago
The way you have to flee instantaneously is also a bummer because it kills the possibility for POSITIVE player interactions in the Wilderness, too. Environments where players can fight or cooperate are fertile grounds for great stories. When I was doing Wildy bosses for my diary and pop down the hole to the scorpion boss, before I could even write "friendly, lets duo the boss" the other person was getting the fuck outta dodge as fast as possible. I don't blame them, either, it's the correct play, but I think it'd certainly be more fun if there was any room for us to have a little room to play Prisoner's Dilemma with the boss loot.
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u/Jwruth 5h ago
And the worst part being that fighting back is usually futile and leaves people, especially ones who are new with little wildy experience, vulnerable to skull tricks.
Genuine question, but are players getting skull tricked even with the skull prevention setting? I can understand if they're so new they don't have the setting on, but shouldn't the average joe be totally safe to attempt fighting back?
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u/M3rktiger 5h ago
I saw a post a while back about someone almost getting skull tricked into the abyss before catching on before it happened.
So yeah, can still happen, which is crazy.
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u/Riceballs-balls 5h ago
But the abyss is safe?
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u/M3rktiger 4h ago
Abyss gives you a skull when entering unless you wear the abyssal bracelet. I don't remember the exact details of the post/the idea but I do remember the abyss was involved. If you die of poison/venom inside you lose everything for example.
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u/steele578 5h ago
No. You cannot get skulltricked with skull prevention on. Anyone who says otherwise is making shit up or doesn't know what skulltricking is.
You CAN get lured, and a lot of people do. But you cannot get skulltricked. The average Joe is completely and totally safe to fight back when they have skull prevention on. I fight off or anti-pk 90% of the PKers that come for my iron at Calvarion. Spindel PKers are fuckin tough though.
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u/Cold-Management1073 4h ago
skull prevention is enabled by default haha, if someone gets skulltricked it's because they turned off the "don't get skulltricked" button
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u/steele578 3h ago
Yeah it's crazy that OP asked if you can still get skulltricked with skull prevention and the 2 top replies are "yes when you turn it off" and "yes I saw someone get lured" when the answer is just no.
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u/The_Void_Reaver 5h ago
Yes. Contrary to what you see on here there are a lot of people who try out Pking every once in a while and then forget to turn skull protection back on when theyre doing something like wildy slayer.
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u/Peekays_0 5h ago
That is solely on the carelessness of those players and nothing to do with jagex or "incentives" or pvp dynamics.
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u/doobiebeforebed 5h ago
Lmfao what on earth kind of reasoning is this? Player makes a mistake and it’s Jagex’s fault and so the system they added to stop accidental skulling is not good enough?!? wtf you on about?
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u/King_Leif 4h ago
This sub hates pking, logic takes a backseat. They just need to get it out of their system.
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u/Syphox Gagex 5h ago
i fully expect to be downvoted for saying this.
but i got PK’d 4 times doing bones in 2016 and i haven’t been back inside it since.
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u/soisos 5h ago
it's a pretty iconic part of 07 RuneScape I guess. But it is miserable. Doing wilderness content efficiently involves using alts with plugins to basically act as a security camera so you can avoid pkers altogether. It's incredibly tedious and annoying
PKing is also disproportionately punishing to inexperienced players. The whole system basically preys on noobs who don't understand what's going on. Anyone who knows what they're doing won't risk enough to make it worth pkers' time
I don't really get it because people who actually want to PVP can, and do, just use PVP worlds to fight each other. If you actually love PVP there is plenty available. Wildy is mostly just a noob trap or extremely tedious pvm area
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u/Unlikely_Bank73 1h ago
they probably understand it, the issue is that its the only thing that works in a way that isnt abusable. the one thing they know works worse is creating areas for pvp specifically with decent rewards. so until we find something better then this is all we can reasonably expect
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u/BlueSentinels 5h ago
The cat and mouse gameplay could work if they were willing to compromise on the item drops. If you only lost all your food/runes/arrows in a wilderness death (without a skull), people would be much more willing to go in and do the content. Yeah you could get killed but you wouldn’t lose the items you worked hard for and you could legitimately fight back.
But such a change would never pass because PKers don’t want a fight, they want a loot piñata.
You could also still incentivize PKing with bounty keys which have a value equal to the bank value of the PK’d individuals gear.
When PKing came out it was pretty much entirely voluntary for any side as there was very little content locked within the wilderness.
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u/joncrompy 5h ago
A huge problem with trying to change the reward structure is that Jagex wants it to be rewarding to Pkers, but if the reward doesn't come straight from the victims pocket then the reward system can easily be abused.
Early versions of bounty hunter were abused like crazy and it took Jagex years to design a better version. Even then, the current version of bounty hunter is still getting abused using bots in low population worlds. They're in a lose-lose situation so long as they prioritize the profitability of PKers.
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u/Far-Cookie2275 3h ago
You're right, but the sad thing is your suggestion won't work because people will just game the system to make money.
PKing never used to be an issue back in 2004–2006 because the risk was maybe a few hours of work, a dragon weapon and some rune. It was simple and fun, and you weren't scared to die. There wasn't much outplay involved and almost anyone could do it. You could join a clan, have a war or just have fun at Mage Bank.
Nowadays, to even stand a chance against any decent player, you have to risk millions in gear, know your switches and have really good game knowledge, including how the tick system works. It's easy for players who are already used to it, but for new players or players trying to learn, it's a minefield.
The amount of game knowledge you need is insane. You need to know how all these newer weapons work, and which specs can suddenly hit with a different attack style, like the Voidwaker. It's just not appealing to a lot of players anymore and the fact that most people are there to do pve so your really fighting a fully equip player with less due to fighting a boss or having box traps or bones or whatever activity you are doing. The game has went from pvp to this monstrosity it was never high risk the duel arena was for that.
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u/itsPlayboy 4h ago
Not even close to true. When pking came out the hardest content in the game was kbd and kq so if you wanted to do anything other than that you were pking and it was very popular. Content creators got RuneScape didn’t make PvM content back then it was all PvP.
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u/Person_of_Earth Bring back Funorb 3h ago
Back when PKing first came out, the concept of a Runescape content creator didn't exist, nor did the KBD or KQ.
- The Wilderness was released in August 2001.
- KBD was released in September 2002.
- KQ was released in September 2004.
- YouTube didn't launch until 2005 and Twitch didn't launch until 2011. What platform are you imagining Runescape content creators using in 2001?
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u/Degenerate_Game 2340 5h ago
There was a survey not that long ago that asked about the wilderness.
One of the questions was something like "I don't want to feel forced into the wilderness for big upgrades/account progression" to which I answered "strongly agree".
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u/poonmangler 3h ago
That's encouraging, and I've seen other good things happening with the game (like bot wipeouts).
I'm not totally out of the loop, and I feel kinda bad shitting on them, but that's literally what every Wildy revival attempt has been. I really hope this is different.
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u/HemlockHex 5h ago
Honestly, the only wilderness update that I’d really be behind would be something that could get edgeville PvP going again. Specifically like med-low level PvP in edgeville.
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u/Srcunch 5h ago
I always said they should find a way to emphasize F2P PvP. RSC’s F2P wilderness was as packed, or more, than anywhere else in the game. Dying fully geared in F2P would be like 100k. The combat is easy and straightforward. You give people trying the game out another lane to explore. Alts are free. Edgeville is packed and we all win.
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u/Maleficent_Ad_5763 4h ago
Game is understood and meta gamed to death. Edgeville pking as a kid was awesome, but its gone and will never be back. Thats just reality.
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u/JunVahlok 3h ago
Yeah the dynamic is just totally different. We were 8 year olds playing in computer labs, people still argued about whether maces were better than scimitars & a guy in warrior helm with a dds was the most intimidating sight north of the Jolly Boar. That's not really replicable nowadays where you're still a noob if you haven't invested 1000 hours.
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u/cdawg145236 1h ago
I'm pretty convinced the average 100 win LMS player would look like Elvemage if you sent them back to 2007.
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u/DooDooSquad 5h ago
Low level f2p pking was so fun when rs was at its peak. Wish there was an incentive for it but people blow past the lower levels so easily
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u/Yoshbyte Chompy Bird Hunter (7341 to count) 3h ago
Pures inherently push this out of the game. The fish have been eaten by the shark
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u/SockClapOS 5h ago
This is the only PVP I actually miss from RS2. Would be super cool to see edge pking come back at mid levels.
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u/WenegadeWaiduh 5h ago
Waiting for the "Should we make the wilderness less awful for the average player, and also give pures piety?" poll
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u/Acrysalis 5h ago
Should we add a pvp toggle to the wilderness, and also release unbound bronzeman mode?
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u/ImHereCuzTheyWrong 59m ago
Evil RS3 player chiming in, adding the PVP toggle was the best thing they've ever done to the wilderness. It's full of aggressive high level slayer monsters now so you can't just wander aimlessly, but it's basically just a massive slayer dungeon with a collection of bosses attached.
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u/CommercialYam7188 4h ago
Watch PKers vote yes, and then the wilderness becomes flag-only pvp and they jave to cry in the corner
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u/ShawshankException 4h ago
Damn, the "if you don't like the wildy then don't go" crowd seem very upset at people doing exactly that
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u/Chdata TF2 Server Dev 3h ago
Yea ngl they never have a response to that and it tells.
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u/Doctor_Kataigida 2h ago
Tbh I feel I see more people using this as a gotcha than people actually upset folks aren't going into the wilderness. "There aren't enough people in the wildy to pk" isn't really a topic they gets a lot of visibility.
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u/Salad_Dressing__ 2h ago
Wait do they not have a response or are they upset? Because if they don't have a response then... yeah, obviously, if that's what they were asking for
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u/one_shuckle_boy 5h ago edited 3h ago
I vote no to any wilderness/ PvP content that involves needing pvm stuff or dropping pvm related uniques.
I vote yes to all PvP updates that are for the pk end of the game, involve bh, PvP only rewards or mobs that drop only gp/resources that I can get elsewhere. It’s simple.
No pvm related uniques in the wilderness, it should be for pvpers, better xp training methods, or resources at accelerated rates but otherwise obtainable outside of the wilderness.
If it meets that criteria I vote yes, if not I vote no.
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u/Serious_Tradition269 4h ago
Even if I think wildy might deserve its own unique like the voidwaker, I full agree with this just based on the idea that pvp is forever stuck at an impasse now. There is so much outrage against the "being forced into the wilderness" concept that anything even tangentially pvp-related is getting spite voted forever.
No non-pvp uniques in the wilderness, just high xp or gp/hr, get rid of the idea that you're ever forced into it for any item, and then you can actually work on pvp again without that tainting every discussion
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u/Hungry-Ducks 5h ago
This simple. Should be high risk vs. high reward. Rewards don’t have to be exclusive here.
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u/reachisown 5h ago
LMS is a shit show, new players have next to zero chance of winning a game. You'd need to dedicate months just to stand a chance.
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u/QuasisLogic 4h ago
Id rather spend months getting good at a different pvp game than osrs too.
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u/Live_From_Somewhere Unpolled Threshold Change 38m ago
And you would see results and improve much faster in just about any other game.
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u/JunVahlok 5h ago
The wilderness problem is that its main purpose is for max level rich tricked out skilled PVPers to ice barrage people 30 levels lower than them who are wearing nothing & have 1 knife & a spade on them.
The gameplay here is just.. hope no one sees you or you instantly die.
It's like this in all MMOs that have PVP. If you're playing WoW, PVP on just means that max level characters in endgame gear spawn kill you while you are a lvl 5 until you quit.
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u/Prior-Art4915 3h ago
It’s not like this in wow at all lol. Wow actually has methods of escape that don’t revolve around logging out/changing servers and you don’t reward the person ganking you in any way when you die.
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u/JunVahlok 3h ago
It's a very similar feeling of frustration/futility that makes people dislike PVP as a whole
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u/alekou8 5h ago
I’ll vote yes to making it way more risky for pkers. Everything else will be a no
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u/Remarkable-Goose-461 5h ago edited 5h ago
Yup, that’s the problem I have with PvP is how skewed the risk/reward gameplay is for the PKers.
Seal clubbing lame and stupid content.Edit: Angry seal clubbers below 👇
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u/Ok_Community4899 5h ago
I hate the wildy so much forced pvp is one of the worst things a game can do. I work all day and want to get home and just do some pvm I dont want to worry about someone coming in a killing me while im trying to get clogs and clues.
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u/zombieodin 3h ago
My issue with the wildy as a pvm player is largely the same as a lot of sentiments already expressed in this thread. For the people coming to pk me or others, it is so clearly largely not about having a pvp experience. When someone pops in wearing rag ass gear to kill players doing chaos altar as an example, they're pretty explicitly doing it just to ruin someone else's experience. They aren't in a pvp gear setup, they're just standing there with an addy crossbow "pking." They aren't looking for a fight, they're just being rude.
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u/PullHardandBreath 1h ago
Some people enjoy pking. I remember being 12 trying to kill people with fire strike - anyone doesn’t matter if they were killing green dragons or pking.
It’s nostalgic for some and if you don’t like it that’s fine but that’s part of the wilderness and always has been
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u/HobNob_Pack 4h ago
Just make an update that makes it so pkers have to fight pkers.
Then we will find out that 70% of them don't actually want to fight they just want to get loot pinatas from pvmers
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u/Gringissian 4h ago
Pking could be removed for all I care, it was fun when we were young and inexperienced but I haven't had any enjoyment out of the wilderness in years and years. PvP in MMOs is dead.
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u/Narrow-Rub3596 3h ago
PvP in MMO’s had its place back in the day when everyone was inexperienced. The harsh reality of PvP though, it’s no one likes it.
We have league of legends, we have apex, we have tarkov, we have actual PvP games.
The people who PvP in MMO’s don’t actually like PvP, they like to gank players who aren’t prepared. They aren’t skilled enough to pushed ranked in an actual PvP game. They have to sneak up, sucker punch, and run away. Fucking rats if you ask me lol
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u/SlightlyStoked 2h ago
I love PvP in RuneScape. It’s peak gaming. There are parts of the game that I don’t care for, but I would never cry for removal of content just because I don’t like it.
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u/PhD_in_PVP 1h ago
I like it. I love PvP. PvP in Osrs is such a unique skill set, it's unlike pvp in any other game.
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u/Unlikely_Bank73 48m ago
The people who PvP in MMO’s don’t actually like PvP, they like to gank players who aren’t prepared. They aren’t skilled enough to pushed ranked in an actual PvP game. They have to sneak up, sucker punch, and run away. Fucking rats if you ask me lol
the projection is fucking adorable. the reality is, the skill ceiling of this game is pking and the apm and reaction involved is higher than most popular pvp games
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u/OW_FUCK 3h ago
I think they just need to add more counterplay options for pvmers. Pkers beating on helpless noobs is inherently imbalanced and lame and forever will be.
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u/Confident-Dirt-9908 2h ago
If they made PVP intuitive and not stun reliant that’d be a fair centrist step, but that would be removing mechanics from world hoppers
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u/GzzzDude 5h ago
Is this from the Behe podcast? Whats the context?
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u/Tumblrrito Untrimmed Slayer 4h ago
Following for an answer as well, I feel like I missed something
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u/GzzzDude 4h ago
I saw some thumbnail on a Behemoth podcast with Ayiza and it said “Wilderness needs a rework” or something of the like. I’m guessing its from that interview but I haven’t listened yet.
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u/FalsifyTheTruth 3h ago
It's so funny seeing this reaction having watched the podcast because Ayiza suggested two things * Removing all clue steps from the wilderness and having a dedicated "wilderness clue" (which he was non-specific about the implementation of) * Disabling PvP in the wilderness on a large number of worlds and substantially reducing the drop rates on those worlds to compensate.
It was TPapa who suggested outright disabling the wilderness entirely on a large number of worlds which is what people are reacting negatively to (because it would only make the problem worse)
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u/GzzzDude 3h ago
People really make so many assumptions don’t they lmao. I imagine most of reddit would be in favor of both of those.
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u/fe_god 4h ago
PvP in this game is so one sided. One player is all in, with a full inventory meant to set up a kill. The other player has bare bones gear and supplies/loot from shit they killed. One person assumes all the risk and the other one doesn’t. How do you balance something that has such a dynamic?
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u/maybe_I_am_a_bot 2h ago
I just want PvP in boss arenas to really involve the boss. My favorite Gielinor Games fight was two people murdering each other in the middle of Huey's Arena which was a really fun twist. Change Wilderness boss fights to hyper-aggro on skulled people to change the dynamics of the fight instantly, giving the PvM-er more of an ability to fight back. You wanna fight people in the bear lair? You better be ready to deal with the bear.
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u/Just_Delete_PA 4h ago
PvP and PKing are two different topics to some degree. We should start to talk about them as such.
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u/tylerstone193 4h ago
when will jagex realize stop wasting any dev time on pvp its a waste of time you arent going to fix new players coming to pvp unless you find a way to attract a younger audience no gamer dad is going to learn pvp.
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u/SlockTheSock 5h ago
Should we add Desert Treasure 3, Ritual of the Mahjarrat, Menaphos, Raids 5 and 6, 3 new solo bosses, and remove the quest and defence requirements from Chivalry?
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u/Blissachu 6h ago
The only wilderness vote i'll vote yes to is the ability to toggle in and out of pvp with reduced drop rates/xp for being toggled off
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u/Spirited_Season2332 6h ago
They'd never do that because no one would opt in lol.
I just want clues to stop sending me to the wildy. I dont want the increased loot or xp from wildy content, I'm fine missing out on that. I just wanna do my clues I got from outside the wilderness in peace.
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u/MrFluxed 5h ago
the fact that no one would opt in to it except PKers is exactly why I'll never vote for adding content to Wildy until they give us a PvP toggle.
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u/Emotional-Station153 5h ago
Well if the majority of people don't want to engage with it that just proves its a bad system doesn't it?
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u/Spirited_Season2332 5h ago
I mean yea, that's the reason such a small portion of the playerbase PvPs and the reason they keep putting in super high money makers w/ low requirements since that's the only way to get anyone out there
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u/EskimoPuddle 5h ago
I don’t even like to consider it PvP. To me, that implies both players are interested. It’s usually (not always, I understand that) a PKer targeting someone doing wildy content that has no interest in fighting another player.
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u/Spirited_Season2332 5h ago
That's a fair point
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u/EskimoPuddle 5h ago
And that’s also not to say there aren’t players who genuinely want PvP. It’s just a different category and I think sometimes this sub clumps them together.
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u/AtomAndAether 5h ago
There can be systems built for a minority of players that are good
(though wilderness depends greatly on an unwilling prey being coerced for the sake of the predator. that's why its bad for people who don't want to engage but "have" to)
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u/Emotional-Station153 4h ago
Not if it's at the expense of the rest of the players, which PKing is. Parasitic game design is always bad game design.
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u/doobiebeforebed 5h ago
Not a bad shout compared to all the crying about being scared to die occasionally while going to high reward content. Wildy only clues that if you get a clue in Wildy, all steps are in the Wildy and you get higher chance of rares or just simply extra rolls on the clue. And then all non Wildy clues don’t have Wildy steps. I don’t know any pker that is interested in killing clue steppers, they don’t risk shit except for the super rare times they have tonnes of law runes on them or something
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u/RizzyQuazy 5h ago
World of Warcraft did it for world PvP and it worked well. So less xp and worse drop rates seem good. It balances out anyway because you don't need to be afraid of losing items so can bring best gear to speed up kills.
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u/Mortress_ 4h ago
And since you don't really lose anything by dying you can just play with pvp toggle on and engage in PvP once in a while, if it gets annoying you can go back to a major city and toggle it off. Its the perfect system
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u/InternationalRead333 Easyscape is good actually. 6h ago
I will glady vote no to anything involving the wilderness.
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u/Cold-Management1073 5h ago
Idk why jagex are so obsessed with the pker vs pvmer dynamic. If you want to pk then go to a pvp world, LMS, or bounty hunter
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u/vaserius 5h ago
Name it how it is, they want to have loot piniatas for Pker , nothing less.
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u/blua95 5h ago
Yup. Too many clue steps, achievements, bosses, etc are available In the wildy for no reason besides to incentivize becoming a victim to pkers. Wildy was great content back when people would actually fight eachother. Nowadays it’s just dead content. Go to pvm worlds if you really want to pk
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u/Stock-Ad2495 6h ago
I wish there was a noob rank for Wilderness that let me be less risky but still participate.
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u/Icy-Channel6983 5h ago
I hope the new wilderness is to allow pvmers to turn off pvp. Why is pvp dead? Well there is only a small portion of the game who actually enjoy pvp.
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u/No1Statistician 4h ago
Well Emir's Arena is dead and bugged out still with almost no rewards that should be fixed first. Fight pits also badly needs an update
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u/Fun-Top-2587 4h ago
PvP has potential, dead man all stars is a sign of that. But the wildy is an anchor, nobody wants to engage with it. Jagex should look outside the wildy imo
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u/loudrogue total: 2376 clogs: 1170+ 4h ago
People can like watching content creators doing PVP but not actually want to participate. Its like watching UFC, its fun to watch but I wouldn't want to actually do it
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u/IAmNotASkiResort 3h ago
As long as PKers have blighted supplies, no worldhopping cooldowns, singlecombat+, and the ability to unskull themselves, I will vote no to anything that could benefit them.
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u/Habibipie 4h ago
I just vote no to all wilderness content. Two times getting harassed by a group while doing wildy slayer (slurs included btw) is all it took. No content for yall.
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u/JaraxxusINFERNO 2h ago
I remember when people would complain about wilderness PvP/ PvM updates on this sub they would just be told “There’s a warning when you cross the ditch” or “If you don’t like it, don’t go into the wilderness”, or something else along those lines. Interesting to see a 180 on this from such a renown “conservative” community.
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u/Soggy_Scallion_4112 50m ago
I love when PVPers say "if you dont like it, dont come here" and most ppl dont, and the wildy is dead, then they go real quiet. Or they say stuff like "you can fight back as a pvm-er, we risk more stuff than you" nobody wants to fight back, my dude, thats why the place is DEAD. Also if my only counterplay is freeze and log out and walk away from the game, now thats REAL GAMING right there... They made an extraction shooter called Arc Raiders. Its kinda strugling right now, cuz majority of the ppl are not doing pvp. And it was literally advertised as PvPvE.
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u/BussinCoach 5h ago
It kills me that players act like the wild is the only PvP in the game, and its extreme hate has infected all aspects of player vs player, to the point that even PvP worlds and mini games get almost 0 attention. Jagex threw in the towel when they just added rotating pvp worlds so now the few players that do want to engage in PvP (not cat & mouse) get unreliable worlds every other week, or in some players cases pretty much never.
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u/ScikPK 3h ago
People in this thread are begging for an edge-style PVP mode and don't even know about Bounty Hunter.
Yeah, Jagex could update the wildy and fix it. But a bigger problem is people don't even know about other PVP modes. Jagex could easily do weekly events at BH or weekly events at PVP worlds to bring in new players and show them that not everything is "cat and mouse".
Instead, Jagex does nothing and now we have a thread full of these players saying "I'm voting no to every PVP update." It's so sad, man. OSRS PVP is so fucking sick.
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u/ImperatorDanny 2h ago
If they made it so you cant hop while logged in the wildy that would fix a lot of hate for it. If you’re logged out for 5mins you get booted to the border.
Boom fixed a lot of ambushes for ya and maybe revived border pking
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u/Future_Mixture3666 1274 total btw 51m ago
Good luck finding a world for wildy bosses, enjoy the run back every time someone is there. I'd personally skull but this comment section reminds me why most people won't.
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u/FredDurstIsMyUncle 40m ago
This seems like a good idea until you think about it for more than 10 seconds, you people are braindead af
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u/thiswaspostedbefore 4h ago
Yeah I'm good. I started doing the Wilderness Agility Course and logged in on my train ride home from work looking to get a few laps in. Not even a second after logging in I get PK'd. I'm not mad because I got killed (I didn't lose any real loot, just food), I'm annoyed because I didn't even get a chance to click past the initial screen after logging in before getting killed (I keep a low health bar to reduce the damage taken by failing obstacles)
If there's any changes to be made to the Wilderness, make a 5-10 second grace period after logging in where you can't get attacked. Feel free to make it where you can't world hop or log out immediately as well but at least let me see I'm about to get fucked before I get fucked
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u/pample_mouss 4h ago
You really should keep full health, you get a free food every lap if you have an open space so any damage you take should be healed and fish is replenished each lap
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u/Jensiggle Un-nerf Forestry NOW 2h ago
I don't want to see a single wilderness addition until they remove wilderness clue steps.
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u/Swimming_Ad2753 2h ago
Adding PvM content to the wilderness does not add new PvM content. It adds new Pk'er content.
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u/A_Fluffy_Butt 5h ago
On a positive note, I do like that there's always at least someone fighting the Wildy fight at Jagex. Y'know it's a small community but there's still someone who's going to bat for them. I just find it fascinating that it seems to be the hill they'll die on. It makes me curious how much income PvP content actually brings to the game, if they're still trying to sway people towards it.
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u/EdumacatedRedneck 5h ago
A lot of pkers have multiple accounts to pk in different brackets. You'll be fighting a pure clan and after they get cleared, they'll immediately log in with their mains right after to attack you.
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u/JakeEllisD 5h ago
The wildy approach has always been flawed. Its not PvP, because that already exists. This is PKing aka not a fair fight for the person they are trying to lure to the wildy to do content
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u/m4dlor 6h ago
Escape fantasy game incompatible with being bested by another player 😔
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u/EuphPagle 2376 5h ago
if PKers were good at PVP, they'd be playing a game designed around PVP ;)
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u/Worried-Scene9211 3h ago
This is the truth OSRS pvper's desperately do not want to hear. PVP in OSRS is equivalent to smurfing below your rank in real competitive games and ganking STV on a 60 in wow. The entire game mode is based around only looking for an unfair fight you can win and running THE SECOND it looks like you might not win that fight. Its genuinely pathetic.
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u/pk_hellz 3h ago
Emirs arena requires you to click through 12 menus every time if you want to find a match.
I wish some basic qol could come to the pvp scene and then i might engage with it. Currently its easier to hop worlds then have to navigate that ui.
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u/joxerlol 5h ago
I will vote yes if it's "Dying while you are skulled removes 1 level from random skill"
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u/snowmunkey 5h ago
Nah then it'd just be cheesed by pures. Would need to make it the highest level to inflict the most pain
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u/101perry 4h ago
Genuinely, what's so hard about going the route of RS3 here with the Wilderness rework? If it's about the reward but getting no risk, why not just tune them since lets be honest the Wilderness is not for PvP, it's for PKing.
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u/Allu71 6h ago
bring freezes and escaping the pker becomes a fun minigame
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u/Mossieoak 6h ago
I absolutely despise the freeze mechanic in pking. I think it makes pking so damn boring. With that being said, the freeze log is the most satisfying way to escape lol
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u/Frick_KD 5h ago
The duration of it is so frustrating
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u/Mossieoak 5h ago
It really needs a counter of some sort. I think I would actually engage in pking if that existed.
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u/Skogstomten- 6h ago
Its like og random events. Every 20 minutes sallad robe sam shows up and you have to dip
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u/Jensiggle Un-nerf Forestry NOW 2h ago
dd to log is not fun and is just rolling dice to land a freeze before you get frozen - you can't even run unless you can lose LOS within 10 tiles which is impossible in most places in the wilderness.
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u/dougdimmadomethe23rd My only chance at survival 5h ago
Disagree, but I find getting jumped to instantly sours my mood. But I definitely get why some would enjoy it.
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u/SecretaryOk1020 2h ago
Honestly I think the only bad part about the Wildy is multi. I might have a chance in a 1v1 to either kill or escape, but I have got 0 chance in anything higher than that. Especially when u get those 10 man groups killing you for your 50k risk repeatedly.
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u/CynSystem 2h ago
I would enjoy experiencing wilderness content without fear of PvP gankers
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u/ArdRi_ 5h ago
When the biggest PKer's post videos of themselves talking about camping multiple worlds all day long to stack someone out you wonder why nobody likes to go to the wilderness.