r/videogames • u/TheOriginalRalph • 7d ago
Discussion / Question What games are guilty of this?
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u/WhyDarIing 7d ago
Pretty much any game with a weapon rarity system.
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u/1Bumblestinker 7d ago edited 7d ago
Cough, cough, borderlands, cough, cough.
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u/North-Water-1951 7d ago
couch
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u/ExtendoArmCannon 7d ago
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u/JereKane 7d ago
In BL2 I basically never use Bandit weapons because 90% of them tend to be trash in comparison to hyperion and dahl
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u/Mysterious_Piglet_13 7d ago
Jacobs weapons are better
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u/Futur3_ah4ad 7d ago
Depends on what you need. If you need raw non-elemental damage then Jakobs is indeed superior.
But if you need fire rate you're better off with Dahl or Vladof. For Elemental you grab Maliwan, Hyperion or Dahl, for Explosive you grab Torgue or, if things are dire, Tediore.
Bandit only has mag capacity going for it, though their fully automatics can have good fire rate with the right combination of parts.
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u/HuckleberrySilver516 7d ago
Tbh as someone who plays bordelands sniper are actualy decent and can 1 shot a lot of enemies with hs
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u/-pupster- 7d ago
most games that arent cod do that. cod is...special, especially in the needs department.
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u/one_last_cow 7d ago
Or a weapon level system.
Lvl 2 Holy Godslayer's Exoblade of Destined Destruction: 7 dmg
Lvl 3 Peasant's Rusty Shortsword: 8 dmg
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u/ErikTheRed99 7d ago
Lvl1 M82 .50 cal = 43 damage Lvl 50 Ruger 10/22 .22 lr = 48 damage
Fucking how!?
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u/Gideon_Lovet 7d ago
That's why I like STALKER Gamma's weapon system. The barrel condition affects damage, but at 100%, a 9mm from a pistol does the same damage as a 9mm fired from a submachine gun. What changes are things like rate of fire, accuracy, mag size, etc, but the damage is consistent across calibers. Doesn't matter much what gun fired the bullet, if the bullet and cartridge size is the same.
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u/_GeneralSeaweed_ 7d ago
Idk the big gun being worse in every metric isn't that common imo
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u/eduison 7d ago
Honestly, Dead Space kinda felt like this to me. I just couldn’t find a reason to replace the laser cutter. It’s awesome
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u/IM_INSIDE_YOUR_HOUSE 7d ago
Dead space has other guns? I beat it three times.
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u/DarthUrbosa 7d ago
Bruh the contact beam is just a better plasma cutter (in the remake. Original it's a pocket nuke). Force gun is the best gun in the series and the ripper is just fun as hell.
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u/Few_Difference4274 7d ago
The new dead space they all serve a purpose, especially with the flesh system (I think it’s called). Some are used to peel away tissue making the plasma cutter cop them in one shot rather than 4-5
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u/charathedemoncat 7d ago
I mean, thats cool but due to the game only giving you ammo for guns that are currently in your inventory, you can just stuff any gun you get in storage and obliterate everything with 20 stacks of plasma cutter ammo
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u/AlertWar2945-2 7d ago
Pretty sure thats what I did for Dead Space 2 for Hardcore mode. I also kept a Plasma Rifle just for its grenade launcher secondary fire as a last resort
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u/kristamine14 7d ago
The force gun went from "tried it once and thrown directly in the bin" in the OG DS, to "Fuck yes time to blow the skin off a necromorph again" with the Flesh system in the remake haha
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u/Responsible_Mail_113 7d ago
At least it makes earning the One Gun achievement a fun challenge. And it isn't perfect against everything, it struggles against enemies that attack in large groups like the Swarmers or Divider and the wall-mounted Guardians.
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u/grandfleetmember56 7d ago
Man that makes me think of Resistance: Fall of Man.
You got a few military guns, plus alien weaponry. They all did different things, and would highlight that when you first get the new weapon. But after, you just have to figure it out/play your way.
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u/BludStanes 7d ago
That is definitely one of my favorite guns ever since the OG days. Powerful as hell and really fun and visually appealing
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u/CUEUECOMBER 7d ago
i played through the remake, and i agree. the only two guns i used throughout my whole playthrough were the cutter and i used the flamethrower for some enemy type that would get stunlocked by the flame wall shot
cutter is GOATED
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u/StrdstNebula218 7d ago
same for me, except I also carried the ripper, found it extremely useful in tight areas and against the hunter.
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u/L3monGr3nade 7d ago
Cyberpunk. A good silenced pistol with headshot mods and a sight will beat almost any rifle
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u/Rhorge 7d ago
Gunsensical mod is essential for me, it’s just too dumb for pistols to outperform full size rifles in everything
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u/solidgears 7d ago
It all depends on how you spec your character
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u/Available_Hat_9833 7d ago edited 7d ago
Still, ttk with a pistol headshot build is gonna be lower than anything you can do with rifles, they only really have advantage in how much ammo you have but with 3(4) weapon slots that barely matters.
Pistols are also the only guns that get consistent one-shots due to all the multipliers, making all other weapons in that playstyles redundant. Even Panam’s sniper deals less damage than pistols, making it incredibly situational outside the lowest difficulties.
Edited the stealth portion for clarity.
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u/Micro-Skies 6d ago
Id say that non-iconic shotguns are the other one shot machines. "Kneel!" Is kinda busted
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u/Durandal07 7d ago
Yeah, Cyberpunk’s weapon balancing is really wonky. The most egregious examples are precision rifles, sniper rifles and LMG’s.
Pistols can easily one-shot unaware targets due to the stealth damage multiplier from the silencer. At the same time, they still deal plenty of damage in combat.
Meanwhile precision and snipers get no damage boosts from stealth (meaning you aren’t one-shotting targets and immediately starting combat from the extra noise), don’t deal much more damage than a pistol, often with much lower fire rates. Meanwhile LMG’s manage to be so much worse than SMG’s and Assault rifles (and there are only two of them).
The other weapons have use cases and builds they synergize with, but those three weapon types just don’t perform well in their roles.
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u/Longjumping_Cycle757 7d ago
I sometimes wish cyberpunk had a no rpg levelling mode where all weapons ect have their own uses instead of this lvl/skill based weapon system where a big ass sniper gets shat on by a tiny pistol just cause you put a silencer on it 😭
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u/fooooolish_samurai 7d ago
I find it incredibly immersion breaking that some random goon might tank several bursts in the face just because he is in a higher level area
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u/therealhairykrishna 6d ago
It's daft because one of the things I like most about the Cyberpunk 2020 pen and paper RPG is it's damage system. It doesn't have hit points that scale with level/experience. So some mook with a cheap gun can absolutely kill the heroes if they get unlucky.
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u/Pathogen188 5d ago
Tbf 2077 is a power fantasy game where V gets to break all sorts of lore for the sake of rule of cool. I’d prefer 2020’s system as well but that’s just not the game they were trying to make
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u/Durandal07 6d ago
Well, that at least was somewhat solved by the universal level scaling across all of NC in the update that came with Phantom Liberty. Basically, enemies and drops always normalize to your current level. So NC no longer has high and low level areas (like it did at release). Instead, enemies have "tiers" (the number of health bars) denoting whether they're elites or not. Some more dangerous areas (not whole regions) may have a higher preponderance of high-tier enemies (and things like kill squads from botched stealth tend to be full of higher tier enemies as well), but you won't have situations where the Valentinos are Level 20+ and in turf wars with gangs ten levels below them.
So this means your weapons can still fall behind (as only the drops scale to your level; though iconics can at least still be upgraded), but you can go anywhere in the city and the enemies won't get comparatively more or less difficult.
Hopefully the next game uses less vertical progression (numbers go up) and instead gives almost purely horizontal progression (perks and implants that expand your capabilities rather than just giving raw boosts to stats). Not familiar with newer editions of the TTG, but Cyberpunk 2020 had pretty flat progression over time. You had a bit of vertical leeway in your skills and stats, but most progression came in the form of gear and augmentation. To do more damage, you bought a bigger gun, you didn't find a shinier version of your current gun that magically does more damage for some reason.
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u/raleighjiujitsu 7d ago
BF6 the SMG hit harder and had just as good of range as the LMG
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u/Intelligent_Lynx2984 7d ago
Just slap 6.0X NVG on a mp5 and a lot of times it really does better than an ASR or LMG
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u/TheFrogMoose 7d ago
The amount of times I've been out gunned by an smg firing 3 rounds into me when I unload ten and land most of them passed me off.
I also hated being out sniped by literally everything when I was using an actual sniper rifle
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u/yourmom1034 7d ago
Fallout 4 is the big one tbh
Helldivers is also pretty awful at this
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u/Accomplished_Emu_658 7d ago
Fall out 4 and 76 notorious for this. In 76 around 30-40 level enemies become complete bullet sponges. No way should an enemy need to take 40 shotgun blasts or large caliber rifles hits at close range.
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u/yourmom1034 7d ago
Yeah I pretty much have to mod any shooter or slasher rpg game I download nowadays to get realistic damage values in there, bullet sponges especially in practically unarmored human sized enemies are some of my least favorite “balancing” attempts in those games
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u/Low-Refrigerator-663 7d ago
Yeah...a lot of games are guilty of that issue. And the problem is usually easy to solve, if you actually include the tools needed to solve the problem.
Like, instead of just making hp numbers on enemies higher, make the faster. Or more numerous. Or do more damage.
Not, pull a bethesda and quadruple the damage and go "SEE? The game is harder, you die faster and it takes longer to kill things, that's what difficulty means!".
Like, yes, that is more difficult, but not difficult AND fun. Just difficult AND tedious.
Something that bothers me is games like R6S, Battlefield, Cod. Also make the INFURIATING design decision to make a "Heavily Armored" character just have more health, but still die to one shot and shot and SLOWER.
Like, if you balance an entire game around reflexes, reaction time, against things like covering distance and mobility.
Speed becomes the #1 stat every time, the faster you are the more successful you become, ESPECIALLY in an objective game.
So when a game decides to make a heavy character run slower, rather than less stamina or longer recovery time. It means a heavy character takes more damage than whatever health increase they had can offset, especially if we include SLOWER = EASIER TO HEADSHOT.
Sorry, every time I think of this it pisses me off and I fall into a rant.
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Like why can't anyone just use the Helldiver equation?
Every weapon has 0-10 penetration, all characters have 0-10 armor. Every point that pen is lower than armor, is a 10% decrease in damage with a minimum of 40% damage.
And then make Health and Armor dependent on each other. Want a lot of health? Little armor. A lot of Armor? Little health. Want the most effective hp? Some of both.
And it creates a natural inclination for which weapons work with different targets. If you have a lot of health, but no armor, you cannot be oneshot by sniper rifles. But if you have a lot of armor, and no health, the sniper bypasses it.
The opposite becomes true with Shotguns and pistols. Both excel at fighting unarmored targets, but suck at fighting armored targets.
Having 50/50 armor and health means you are not vulnerable to heavy or light pen, but are vulnerable to something that does both, like an explosive.
Anything better than slapping on a 50 hp buff and making them like 33% slower.
Or whatever the hell is driving bethesda to continue to just "MAKE THE NUMBERS BIGGERER".
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u/Accomplished_Emu_658 7d ago
I don’t remember much details but i went into a raider base in fallout 76 and had 700+ shot gun shells and 300 heavy rifle ammo of some kind and came out with none.
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u/Sudden_Violinist1054 7d ago
This .50 cal machine gun hits weaker than a .308 rifle
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u/Rockhead_Dynamics 7d ago
Yeah, if you want your guns to be evenly balanced, don't make one of them the M2 Browning.
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u/Disastrous_Cat3912 7d ago
The key to 76, I have found, is to pretend you are playing Skyrim and go full stealth archer. So easy to cheese the enemies with that build.
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u/Due_Glass4176 7d ago
Yeah it feels like the balanced later scaling around using broken legendary effects with all the drugs and perks you could fit instead of something more, middle of the road.
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u/PurgeTrooper66 7d ago
I especially feel that in 76. Guns like the portable 50 cal machine gun are often outclassed by other heavy weapons despite having the biggest caliber.
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u/Minotaar 7d ago
Is helldivers though? The machine gun and heavy machine gun absolutely rip, and you can adjust fire rates and take perks that make it a far better gun than the standard issue ones
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u/yourmom1034 7d ago
Yeah the bigger guns do bigger damage, it’s more on the hilarious disparities on different bullet calibers. Watch the itsyabrandyboy video on helldivers guns if you’re more interested. Devs that preach realism with guns do not know enough about guns to be saying that.
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u/Minotaar 7d ago
Do the helldivers devs preach realism with guns?
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u/yourmom1034 7d ago
Yeah? It’s been one of their major points on their balancing talks and especially in regards to “fun” weapons like the one true flag. They’ve really only recently started walking back the realistic milsim approach at least in their public communications
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u/Minotaar 7d ago
OK! Never understand why I get downvotes for asking a question but here we are lol
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u/_Bill_Huggins_ 7d ago
It was a sore point with the community because they kept nerfing good guns with the excuse of realism in a game that is completely unrealistic in pretty much every aspect.
They didn't use realism as an excuse all the time, just when convenient. So it made it even more annoying because there was no consistency
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u/hanks_panky_emporium 7d ago
I think you can still look at old Steam Graph charts showing player counts cratering as they nerfed every single weapon into the dirt. To make it more fair for the fucking bugs and robots. Was so dumb.
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u/yourmom1034 7d ago
Honestly I’m used to glazers in the helldivers subreddits so your comment seemed backhanded lol, can assume it was the same for some other people
Sorry ab that
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u/-pupster- 7d ago
yeah, they do. they wanted it to be a "psuedo-milsim"
also you probably got downvoted because your comment could be read as sarcastic or similiar. not saying it is as i see your other comment where youre saying youre just asking a question. reddit is weird like that, though. hate this site.4
u/Minotaar 7d ago
Yet here we are! I get it, I'd just never intended that and was curious. I don't follow devs of games much. But I've played helldivers and big guns go brrrrrr
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u/nicholasktu 7d ago
A submachine gun doing more damage than a full size assault rifle, a shotgun having worse ergonomics compared to a massive anti-material rifle.
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u/yeet3455 7d ago
The hyena has less ergonomics than the dominator with an angled grip
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u/TheFinalPringle2 7d ago
Helldivers 2 Devs realising they made a gun useful and the players are actually having fun so they make the gun heal the enemies
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u/DarthBrooks69420 7d ago edited 7d ago
Yeah. The mini gun wrecks you when you're facing four supermutants wielding them, but you give all your settlers mini guns and they get wrecked by a couple of raiders with pipe pistols.
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u/tpobs 7d ago
M'uh face when the minigun in FO4 is no better than a water spray can: ☹️
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u/BracusDoritoBoss963 7d ago
In Helldivers support weapons have immense firepower usually.
If you compare meta primaries like the barrier shotgun to an awful stratagem weapon like the sterilizer then yeah.
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u/ironicallyshort 7d ago
Gotta love fallout 4/76 and starfield making a gun do more or less depending on if it's full auto or single shot as well
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u/LowResGamr 7d ago
Fallout. The mini gun shouldnt be less effective than sneezing on them!
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u/Banned-User-56 7d ago
In the fight where they basically give you a minigun near the start of the game, all the enemies actually have about half the health they'd normally have, including the deathclaw, just to make the minigun actually feel good.
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u/Gebghis 7d ago
This depends on the fallout though.
In 1 and 2 only like 3 weapons are even useful by endgame anyways.
In 3 the minigun shreds most enemies if you're investing in heavy guns as high dps weapons are king in 3. But honestly every gun that isn't the Chinese pistol is good enough in 3 as you level up.
New Vegas it's also similarly strong except for the fact that you can almost never find them nor an appropriate amount of ammo for them.
4 the minigun is honestly only as good as the legendary effects you have on it, but that applies to any automatic weapon unfortunately. That's not even an issue with the weapon though, it's a problem of the perk system. When the only damage upgrades are percentages, high damage low fire rate is going to always outperform.
76 heavy weapons are actually quite strong now since you are more likely to get ammo related to the weapon you are actively using so you can actually fuel them. But again you really on good legendary effects for all weapons in it.
All in all, fallout actually tends to keep the weapons reasonably scaled to eachother, the imbalances come from leveling and perks and legendary effects.
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u/Casuallookin 7d ago edited 7d ago
Haven't seen anyone say this one yet so I'll toss it in the ring.
Warhammer 40k Darktide.
Who has better damage? The massive ogryn with a machine gun the size of most of the other characters or the drugged up junkie with dual with uzi's and a dream.
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u/DA_REAL_KHORNE 7d ago
i think one of the highest damage per shots ive seen in darktide is from the goddam stub revolver
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u/FruitbatEnjoyer 7d ago
It's so fucking annoying when a double barrel shotgun struggles to kill things at almost point blank range.
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u/Speedyblue450 7d ago
Hellldivers 2
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u/DrScienceSpaceCat 7d ago
I hate how many of their guns are single shot, low capacity magazine, low damage weapons. Like this is a hoard game and we get a primary weapon that kills a basic unit in 2-3 hits and has a 12 shot magazine (like the new 40k las gun).
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u/GayestNerfKid 7d ago
I agree alot of weapons need buffs, the game needs a lot that it doesn't have, I am not calling you one of these people, but 90% of the people I see that have this complaint are trying to solo dif 10 5 star and get mad they can't
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u/ComradeSuperman 7d ago
What kind of gun would you like to use in that game?
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u/DrScienceSpaceCat 7d ago
One that doesn't use 1/4th of the magazine to kill a generic low tier enemy
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u/Horens_R 7d ago
Odst guns are so bad for it, yet I still find them as some of the funnest, especially the shotgun
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u/Appropriate-Crab-514 7d ago
The ODST shotgun got taken out back by the SuperStore Bayonet Trench gun and Old Yeller'd into uselessness
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u/Horens_R 7d ago
😂it was always pretty useless tbf, their choice for armour pen makes no sense for a lot of things
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u/Baldrickk 7d ago
It makes a bit more sense of you think about the different armour values as:
- 0 unprotected
- 1 light body armour. (Light 1)
- 2 heavy body armour . (Light2)
- 3 armoured car. (Medium 1)
- 4 armoured truck. (Medium 2)
- 5 light tank. (Heavy 1)
The way HDII categorises it into light, medium, heavy makes sense for looking at the whole scale, but severely de-emphasizes how strong the armour is on the human scale.
Put a person in armour next to say... Battleship Iowa. In that comparison, you're always going to say that the body armour is weak, no matter how much they are wearing.
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u/iznotbutterz 7d ago
Hahahaha me with the maxigun wondering why 350rounds in a row can't pierce armor.
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u/TheWrathofAtlas 7d ago
The Maxigun debuted with 750 rounds in its backpack which was no where near enough for its ttk.
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u/SingleLifeguard9346 7d ago
But the big guns are objectively better then the small guns. Like which primary is better than the Stalwart?
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u/shotgunsurge0n 7d ago
helldivers is pve, it doesn't need balancing. make every gun op, = immense fun. i want to feel unstoppable on any diff.
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u/Longjumping_Bet_4825 7d ago
Battlefield 4 and it's stupid mounted 50 cal guns. They do less damage than some pistols! Fire very slow. And you can't move or see very well if they have shields on them.
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u/Few_Difference4274 7d ago
I hate this in almost all games with 50 cals. The thing should dominate. I fired that in real life and you feel like god behind it. In games it is about useless.
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u/Longjumping_Bet_4825 7d ago
FR! it's like this is a 50 caliber sniper rifle! 1 shot kill to the head at any distance! And this is a belt fed 50 cal MG. It's like a slower Lmg that does about the same amount of damage per shot and it's not gonna be very accurate even though it is mounted to the ground. Good luck.
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u/froggychump 7d ago
The Browning M2 is a joke in basically every video game, except milsim games like Arma and Squad, and for some reason, GTA 5.
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u/Accomplished_Ad_8013 7d ago
Any noob shooter really. BF, COD, CS. If its not something like Arma or Squad the size of the round doesnt matter. How tacticool it looks determines its efficiency.
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u/Primary-Spray-3702 7d ago
Most battlefields and CoDs to my knowledge. Also the suppression system is non-existent/little point to make use of the gun.
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u/TheOriginalRalph 7d ago
Yeah, CoD has a history of being bad about this for sure. I would think ideally LMGs should have about the same damage/TTK as assault rifles, and superior damage/TTK to SMGs, but also slower handling speeds than both. That way, in a run-and-gun scenario, the AR or SMG will beat the LMG because they can react and be ready to shoot faster, nullifying the LMG's advantage in damage. But if the LMG is already ready to shoot when the AR/SMG turns the corner, the LMG wins. Make LMGs really strong when posted up in a good spot and really good at locking down choke points, but have a clear disadvantage when relocating or getting flanked. And of course the vulnerability of long reloads to make up for huge magazines.
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u/FightTheChildren 7d ago
That makes me think… has there EVER been an OP LMG in a COD or battlefield game? Best I can think of is something like the M1917 in battlefield 1. Even then it’s more so because having a full auto mid range gun is a big deal in a ww1 game
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u/bubblesdafirst 7d ago
I mean every cod ever in zombies the best guns are the lmgs not including wonder weapons or rare exceptions like the dsr
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u/wylii 7d ago
Stoner in original black ops could run some lobbies if you were good. The ADS was on par with some of the slower ARs and was the fastest LMG. It had a 3 round kill in normal and single shot kill from any range in HC.
I mostly used the famas and the galil though.
I think the most op lmg I ever used was in the original call of duty for PC. The FG42 would spawn on maps and could be temporarily used but you could not spawn with it and it was neigh impossible to find ammo for it.
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u/Originalbrivakiin 7d ago
Both those games making LMGs on average have similar, if not lower, single bullet damage than ARs always annoyed me. And if one does hit harder, gotta make it as unwieldy as possible or fire faster in semi-auto than in full-auto to compensate.
Tbh, kinda why I liked MMGs most in BF5. At least then it was super obvious you should be playing defensive at all times... I miss my mg 42.
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u/0DayMaker 7d ago
Cod infinite warfare
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u/AgentNightfallFrost 7d ago
Wdym 😂 IW is the opposite, they give you these big ass machine that are like this that have the mobility of a smg. There’s a reason why the game is in the state of hard meta with the titan
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u/0DayMaker 7d ago
Last time I played it was a long time ago, but I had like a legendary I want to say it was a titan and it hit like a watergun. Maybe it got changed?
I haven't played in many years
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u/SpaceFunkRevival 7d ago
Monster Hunter. All of them. LBG vs HBG is literally this meme.
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u/tannegimaru 7d ago
Wdym, HBG always out damage LBG in every game. At least up until Gen 5, I haven't played Wilds yet.
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u/Girafarig99 7d ago
From what I've seen LBG is the main speed running weapons in Wilds at least. HBG is 2nd though lol. They are both usually the speedrunning weapons for MH in general tbh
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u/Butterfly_Barista 7d ago
I still like HBG more. There's something super satisfying about standing your ground blocking attacks and shotgunning the monster in the face.
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u/Bright_bound 7d ago
heavy bowgun is the most consistently broken weapon across all of the games light is just easier to use and even then that varies from person to person
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u/Phoenix-624 7d ago
In stalker 2 the 5.56 AR RIFLES do less damage per bullet than the 9x18 pistols, which also do more damage per round for some reason than the 9x19 and .45 acp pistols even though 9x18 is the smallest, weakest round. That game's AR only does a little over half the damage of the pm makarov per shot by the way, thats how drastic and insane it is.
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u/Musashi1596 7d ago
I haven’t tried Stalker 2 yet (though I look forward to it) so this is insane for me to read when you consider the lethality of the Makarov in Shadow of Chernobyl
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u/IcyWatersPupper 7d ago
Stalker 2 just got it's 2.0 update making it more true to what they wanted to originally release.
If there was a good time to pick it up I would say do it now or next time it's on sale.
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u/Winterclaw42 7d ago
IMO pistols are overpowered in most games. They should be a backup weapon when your main gun is out of bullets, not your first choice.
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u/SevroAuShitTalker 7d ago
What? I cant think of many multi-player shooters where pistols are worth using. Usually they are significantly less powerful than they would be in real life
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u/That_on1_guy 7d ago
I mean halo ce was notorious for its over powered pistol
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u/czartrak 7d ago
It's "pistol" which is actually a hand cannon
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u/LITTLE-GUNTER 7d ago
aren’t they like .70cal or something? i can’t remember off the top of my head but i know they’re something ridiculous like that.
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u/jman014 7d ago
BF6 kinda got that right
handguns are reallly rough save the revolvers, but they have a slow fire rate and poorer handling.
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u/Unit_2097 7d ago
The WW1 series (Verdun, Tannenberg, Isonzo and as of two days ago, Gallipoli) are pretty accurate for weapon effects. A single heavy machine gun is perfectly capable of killing huge amounts of infantry if it's in a good spot, and is only limited by ammunition. Revolvers also pack a punch, but genuinely take 15+ seconds to reload.
In fact, all the weapons in that series are pretty spot on, and almost all of them will kill in one hit.
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u/Junior-Extension-820 7d ago
Depending on the game, maybe. Pistols still shoot bullets man and those kinda hurt to be shot with.
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u/Mean-Wishbone-8635 7d ago
Helldivers 2 single-handedly has the worst balancing in any game ever. I will die on that hill.
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u/Leopard_2K_MBT 7d ago
Why die on that hill when you could call in a sentry?
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u/ItsStryker 7d ago
Sentry on a hill? 60% chance it would just bounce off and land somewhere awful
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u/Camo_Penguin 7d ago
But then big gun has ultra complicated stats that you have to stack a certain way/time to do good damage
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u/TheOriginalRalph 7d ago
and then there's usually a smaller gun that you can use the exact same build/setup with and get more damage for some reason XD all the perks in Cyberpunk 2077 that benefit LMGs also benefit shotguns and are way better with shotguns
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u/Lauralis 7d ago
HD2 balance team in a nutshell.
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u/TheOriginalRalph 7d ago
The number of comments I'm seeing citing the terrible weapon balancing in Helldivers 2 has been hilarious. There's over 250 comments on this post now and probably a hundred of them have mentioned Helldivers in some capacity. XD The weapon balance in that game is embarrassingly bad for devs who pride themselves on immersion and realism.
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u/EISENxSOLDAT117 7d ago
All modern arcade shooters
12g shotgun: does lots of damage up close
Auto 12g shotgun: deals less damage then the semi auto one, despite literally having the same ammunition
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u/Hot_Dog2376 7d ago
Just about all of them. And if one of the stats is actually good, the rest are even worse. Accuracy? try a 60 degree angle of spray and 3 shots points you directly upward.
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u/nicholasktu 7d ago
Games like fallout where a revolver deals more damage than a bolt action hi-powered rifle. Sure 44 is powerful but not compared to 30-06.
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u/The_Witch_Queen 7d ago
What really kills me are how many games pistols do more damage than a battle rifle
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u/Erwin_Pommel 7d ago
EDF, actually. Fencer weapons have lower stats in general compared to Ranger weapons despite the former being a powered-exoskeleton whereas the latter is an infantry man. But they're scaled with dual-wielding in mind and high-mobility.
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u/GovernmentVegetable6 7d ago
Far Cry
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u/Gmony5100 6d ago
Just finished far cry 4 and I had no reason to ever use anything other than a marksman rifle for easy headshots and the bow for explosive/fire arrows.
I’m certain you could 100% that game with just the bow and it wouldn’t even be much of a challenge run.
That being said I absolutely love the game for everything else
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u/BlackTestament7 7d ago
Any game with a weapon rarity system honestly.
Bethesda does this with Fallout 4 and Starfield ALOT. I mean, it's weird how bad the damage works in both those games. It's gotta be one of the worst versions of this tbh.
The Division does it too but weirder because it's not that certain guns are weaker but they all have certain "designs" and do damage differently. Problem is that rate of fire isn't balanced out damage wise so especially in Div 2 MMR high damage is severly lacking compared to sustained fire. But you build around that with broken effects to get around it (like the now nerfed chainkiller/determined).
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u/antonbp5 7d ago
Battlefield 6 literally got an update last week, that is this. New sniper, super slow in every single category but 150 damage. Except that 150 damage is only when the target is between 120-150 meters. Otherwise it deals between 30-50 damage.
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u/Drstrangelove899 7d ago
Fallout 4 minigun is absolutely piss poor compared to smaller automatic weapons.
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u/Admirable-Ant-7632 7d ago
My head straight away went to Arc Raiders.
A common Stitcher with a few mods would smoke someone carrying an Epic gun
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u/MajorInWumbology1234 7d ago
Unbelievably apt example based on the looks of both guns: CoD: World at War.
The MP40 had some erroneous code that allowed it to 2-shot kill from any distance with the right shot placement, whereas the PTRS-41, which shoots an even bigger bullet than a .50 cal (.50 is 12.7mm, PTRS shoots a 14.5mm), can be a 2-shot kill to the stomach.
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u/blizzard36 7d ago
I don't know about heavy MGs, because I don't usually use them. But a LOT of games actually make Sniper Rifles less accurate than normal rifles.
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u/Dani1o 7d ago
M249 from Counter-Strike, holy fuck. And most other shooters, I guess. How can a heavy gun with a long barrel, designed for decently accurate long range sprays, have so much worse accuracy and stability than a rifle for the same caliber? Absolutely hate that.
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u/ShitOfTheseus69 7d ago
Dark Souls, 1 at least:
Yeah, go for this legendary weapon that has fool abilities (it has split damage meaning its less effective for having to go through 2 defense stats, and the cool attack takes too much time and stamina for barely any damage, but it looks really sick at least right?)
Just upgrade a basic longsword, claymore, or the zweihander depending on how much sword you want - it really doesnt get better than that.
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u/ElliEFKa 7d ago
Warframe, the fact that I can get an assault rifle that does less damage than my side arm is insane
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u/FallenBeserker 7d ago
I will still never forgive the Gorgon on Black Ops 3. I don't care if it was a 3 hit weapon or whatever, it was awful. Even if you hit every shot, good luck getting a kill.
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u/CarterBruud 7d ago edited 7d ago
COD does this all the time. How the fuck do kevlar body plates stop a round from a .50 caliber anti tank sniper rifle?